🔴 Subprime Crisis Building In Auto Sector | Real Vision™


Hi, I’m Grant Williams. About a month ago, in Things That Make You
Go Hmmm, I wrote a report called “Car Trouble”
about the US auto industry. And I wanted to
flesh that story out for you today because it’s something that is happening right now,
and it’s a lot bigger story than people think. To do this, I’m going to enlist the help of
a couple of people– Daniel Ruiz, a fantastic auto
analyst from a company called Blinders Off, who presents an incredible amount of information
and digs really deep into the sector; and my good friend Michael Lewitt, who’s a person
I spend a lot of time talking to about this
particular industry because he follows it very, very
closely. We’re going to give you a sense of what’s
going on, give you a sense of where the problems lie, how big they are, and at the
end hopefully a few ideas how you might profit from it. The US auto industry is a big deal. It represents 3% of US GDP and employs roughly
5% of the total workforce in the United States. In the last six years, $775 billion of exports
of cars and auto parts have left the United States,
making it by far the biggest export sector. The
number two is aerospace, which is a distant $125 billion dollars behind it. On a global basis,
research and development in the auto industry is the second biggest sector of 40 sectors
measured worldwide– it really is a big deal, not just in the United States but beyond. Car sales have been rising now for some six
straight years, ever since Cash for Clunkers was
instituted in 2010, and that’s been a huge benefit for the industry as a whole. It gave the auto
industry a $3 billion jump start when it needed it most, back in the depths of the post Great
Recession period. But what it’s actually done is pulled forward
a hell of a lot of demand. And we’re at the point now where we’re seeing
the back side of that demand, and the missing purchases that have all been made in the last
six years are starting to be felt. Throw in the fact
that in the era of cheap money you’ve had this surge of people looking to borrow money
to buy cars at really low interest rates, and
you see auto loans ballooned to over a trillion dollars
now– that’s way higher than they were before the credit crisis. In amongst those trillion dollars, the fastest
growing sector– I hate to say it– is once again
subprime. And while the subprime sector is not as big
a problem on a wider basis as mortgages were back in 2007, 2008, the 2015
series of subprime auto originations are forecast to see the biggest delinquencies
of any tranche before that, with default rates projected
to hit 15%– that’s a major problem. To help me pick this apart and give you a
sense of where the problems lie, how big they potentially are, and what you can do about
them, I’ve enlisted the help of two really smart
guys. First of all Daniel Ruiz of Blinders Off,
who’s a hardcore auto industry analyst who has
as good a grasp on this sector as anyone I’ve seen, and he’s got some fascinating information
and charts for us that gives us his perspective of where he thinks the problems lie. And my old friend Michael Lewitt, who runs
The Credit Strategist. Michael’s a brilliant thinker,
a great communicator. He’s one of the guys I rely on when I’m thinking
through the auto sector, trying to get a handle on where the problems
lie, Michael’s someone I go to frequently. So those two guys are going to help me and,
hopefully, help you make sense of this whole thing. Kicking things off is Daniel Ruiz. And Daniel starts by looking at a sector of
market that perhaps is not intuitive to most of us. He goes straight for the used car sector. And there’s a
really good set of reasons for that, and Daniel’s going to lay them out for you right now. I’m going to start with the used car values,
which really, in my opinion, is the foundation of the entire automotive industry. And one chart that’s gotten a lot of
popularity lately is the NADA Used Vehicle Price Index. It’s been falling, significantly, and
because of that decline, we’ve had a lot of attention on used car values. It’s probably best that I start at the beginning,
which is what happened during the last recession? Because used car values fell significantly
during the last recession, but something else happened. And I want to talk more about the recovery
and why we’ve had the results that we’ve had in the automotive industry,
with last year being a record-setting year– and
so was the previous year. Used car values have rebounded really, really
sharply since the recession. That was largely
in part because new car sales volume was very, very low during the recession. Used car is
nothing more than a new car once it rolls over the curb. So we had a really, really short supply of
pre-owned cars coming out of the recession. The
government stimulated the automotive industry with what we all know as Cash for Clunkers-
– great program, stimulated sales, we had a huge spike in volume of new cars sold. But
used car supply was actually starved, because those sales did not produce trades. So we
actually took trade ins out of the equation with Cash for Clunkers and further starved
used car supply. Since then, we’ve enjoyed what I would consider
are extremely short trade cycles. So I’m
going to start with the why– why are we seeing the things that we’re seeing? Why are we
reading about the negative effects that falling used car values are having? We’ve all become very familiar with the NADA
Used Car Value Index. I’m going to explain
why it relates to higher delinquency rates and subprime, why auto loan originations are
falling, and why there has been a divergence between auto incentives and sales volume. Typically the more manufacturers support cars
with incentives, the more cars they sell, but
that’s not been the case. We’ve now missed new car comparisons four
months in a row despite a higher incentive spend. So again, why is this happening? It all relates to used car values. The simple answer is as used car values fall,
it has a lot of impact on all the things that we’ve just talked
about. And there’s a lot of negative equity
out there. So that’s at the core of things, and I truly
believe that used car values are the foundation for the entire automotive industry. I’m going to start with talking about trade
cycles, because I think that’s something that’s at
the core of this. We’ve enjoyed really, really great sales numbers
for a long time. And the
reason why is because we’ve had extremely short trade cycles. When used car values are really outperforming,
as they did shortly after the recession, it allows dealerships to trade folks out of cars
a lot quicker. An optimal trade cycle happens
when the principal balance owed on a car meets the current market value of that vehicle,
at the point where there is no inequity or when you’re in an equitable position. That allows
an easy transition from the car that you currently own to that new car that you may consider
purchasing. So for years we had a very, very strong and
very short trade cycle. Customers would come
into a car dealership for an oil change, and it was a very, very easy thing for a salesperson
to walk up and say, hey, would you like a new one? Would you like a different color? Would you like something with the newest upgrades? And by the way, your payment’s not
going to go up, because you have equity in your car and we really need it. So it was a very, very easy transaction for
quite a long time. But things have changed. The
effect of falling used car values takes that out of the equation. Trade cycles are extremely important. The vast majority of new car sales involve
a trade-in. If we’re bringing our cars back quicker, that
has a direct effect on sales velocity of new cars. The shorter the trade cycle, the higher the
sales velocity of new cars. The longer the
trade cycle, the slower the velocity of new cars. What caused used car values to fall? What was the correction? What happens? It’s important to understand the effect that
leases have on used car values. As a used car
manager working at a car dealership, you have to consider quite a few things when you’re
trading in a vehicle. How am I going to market the vehicle? How am I going to sell the car? Where am I going to price the vehicle? Who’s my competition in my local market? Something that needs to be of big consideration
is that used cars always have to have a value proposition to a new car. And what most consumers measure as value is
their monthly payment. There has to be a good reason for buying something
that may not be the perfect color, that might have some miles and some
wear and tear, that that’s had some usage. And the reason why folks buy pre-owned cars
is because they present a better value in terms of monthly payments than new cars. Well, when leasing gets to a certain level–
and really to extremes, which we’ve seen where $50,000 cars are leasing in the mid $400 range. That puts a really, really significant
downward pressure on used car values. Used car managers really have to figure, how
am I going to market this car to a potential customer? How am I going to justify the payment compared
to a potential lease on a new car? It leaves you in a situation where if you
have a $45,000 car and somebody wants to trade it one year later, is a $10,000 depreciation
enough? Is a $15,000 depreciation enough? $400 is a $20,000 loan. And when you have $50,000 cars that are leasing
for $400 or $500 per month, there’s no market for that
one-year-old car. There’s no market for the twoyear-
old car. And it puts significant pressure on all vehicles
that are pre-owned. I think when most of us think about the auto
sector, we instinctively think about new cars. You drive down the street and see dealer lot
after dealer lot filled to the brim with shiny new cars. But as Daniel points out, it’s the used car
market that really has a massive effect on the overall industry, and the undercurrents
that Daniel lays out are really quite surprising. I was taken aback with just how serious they
are when you look into it, and illustrates perfectly the knock-on effect,
which is something we try and talk about at Real Vision
all the time. To get another perspective on the auto industry,
I wanted to call my friend Michael Lewitt. Michael is someone that I rely on when I’m
thinking about this and trying to get my head around it, because he looks at this stuff
all the time. He’s one of the best credit writers out
there. He writes The Credit Strategist. So I sat down with Michael for a chat to get
his perspective on the auto industry. OK, well, when we were putting this story
together about the auto sector, one of the first people
I thought of, Michael, was you, because over the years you have been one of the people
that I’ve relied on to keep me current on the state
of play in the auto sector. So I wanted to bring
you in and get your thoughts on where we are on the time line for this whole thing playing
out. Right now you have retail suffering from a
real structural shift that’s clearly having an impact not only on industry but
on the economy, unemployment– everything else. And I think autos are the next industry. Just like retail, a lot of it is technology-driven
through Amazon. I think autos are the next. I think autos have one advantage– they were
not sunk by private equity firms coming in and
loading them down with debt. They don’t have that problem, although they
still have significant health care and legacy obligations left over
from the bankruptcies and so on. Michael makes a great point tying in the auto
industry to the retail sector and the US consumer. It’s a very important linkage to make. Now, the US consumer is 70% of the economy. So it’s vital to understand what’s happening
to the US consumer. Michael takes a typical credit guys look at
the auto companies. And his point that they’re not
weighed down by the debt strapped on to them by private equity is important because with
that they’ve been even more trouble. But it’s clear that as the US consumer comes
under pressure, the auto industry is going to be
one of the sectors that suffers the most. The overall industry, I think, is probably
going to see– at least in the US– lower volumes. I
mean, China and other places is a whole other issue. But there’s clearly secular change
coming, and it’s going to have major impact on the US economy. While we’re talking about
what’s already happened to the manufacturing economy in the US, and there’s been some
positive signs because of the recovery of GM and Ford and so on, I think we’re now going
to see another potential leg down. If the volumes, which are now like– what–
$17, $18 million a year, fueled by a lot of subprime
auto loans and so on are going to fade. I mean, right now we’re at peak inventories. We’re
at peak subprime loans. We’re at levels that are not sustainable. So you’re also going have
to deal with that. But it’s unlikely that these levels are going
to continue in a 2% growth economy, so you have—
Well, that’s something I wanted to dig into with you, because if you look at this, these
companies they have pulled forward a lot of demand, going all the way back to Cash for
Clunkers. They’ve managed to have rising sales for seven
straight years now after that. But the last four months, we’ve seen that
turn. We’ve started to see auto sales decline, and
most worryingly– perhaps– truck sales, which as the price of gas came down. So if you add that, you add the massive amount
of inventories on dealer forecourts, which is
at levels– I don’t think the data goes back to the ’80s. We have never even had close to this. And the subprime trade– you’re are three
to five year time line. I’m interested to see how you
see that playing out, because when you look at how important the US auto industry is to
the US GDP– it’s 3% GDP and employs 5% of the
workforce, I think– it’s something that they can’t
allow to be in trouble, you know what I mean? So–
Well, Three to five year– I didn’t mean to interrupt. Three to five years is– what I’m talking
about is the beginning of real secular structural change. I’m not talking about the cyclical change,
the turn in the market. Inventories are at record
highs. There are record numbers of cars coming off
leases. Used car prices are dropping
sharply. The average age– I still think the average
age of the fleet is over 11 years, if I’m not mistaken. People keep their cars longer. I keep hearing about the strength of the consumer,
the strength of the consumer. I think that’s
one of the great fairy tales. The consumer is still dealing with epically
high and rising health care costs. The health care system is failing, and until
they– and even if they come up with a solution to Obamacare, it’s going to take
at least a three-year sort of turnover to fix it. So people don’t have– they’re borrowing money
to buy these cars. And so you have over $1
trillion of subprime loans, all this other stuff. And the Fed is raising rates– they’re still
very low, but you have a situation where it may not
be three to five years until you start seeing the
numbers of cars manufactured and so on get reduced. And that would be coincident with other things
we’re seeing that suggest that a recession is a
real possibility. You know, the yield curve is inverting. It gets flatter every day. The Fed’s going
to raise rates later today unless a meteor hits the world. And so the shorter end’s going to
likely to move up further. I don’t see that. The long end this morning, I thought I was
misreading the tenure of the 213, which really shocked
me, which was at 220 just last Friday– Monday. So the curve is flattening. So when you have all these indicia that show
you that the economy is not growing and that we’re likely heading towards slower conditions,
and autos are right in the heart of that. So I
think that when you have what I call cyclical conditions combining with secular conditions
or structural conditions that are all negative,
that’s not good. And I think– in fairness, I think the auto
industry needs to be commended, because it is
definitely trying to get ahead of the curve on the technology side and everything. But on the
sales side, it’s doing the same old stuff, which is incentives and all this stuff. And then the
lenders are just making money available, but money’s getting cheaper. I mean, remember– auto loans are on the shorter
end of the curve, and that’s the side that’s going up. Now, it’s still very low, but it’ll end up
being a problem and you’ll see defaults rise and everything. Now, I don’t view auto loans as a threat to
the economy the way housing was. It’s just not–
you can walk away from your car. You can’t walk away from your house as easily. But it’s going to be a problem. And I think that time frame is shorter than
three years, because you’re just seeing it coincide with other
signs that the economy is slowing down. We’ll come back to Michael later. But what I want to do now is switch the focus,
go back to Daniel, and get his thoughts on the leasing
and securitization of the auto industry, which plays
a big part in trying to understand, again, these cross-currents that are forced upon
the industry by securitization of finance. So let’s get Daniel back in and hear his thoughts
on the lease market. Another thing to consider is the level of
negative equity that we have in leases today– active
leases that have not matured yet. Credit risk on a lease is very different than
credit risk on a regular automobile loan. Losses happen on regular automobile loans
when they default. How much was owed? What was the balance on the vehicle, and how
much should we recover when we sent the vehicle to auction? But they require that default in order to
realize those losses. With leasing, you introduced residual risk. A lease does not have to default in order
for a captive bank to lose money on the transaction–
it just has to mature. And what’s concerning
is the level to which these loans have been securitized. An auto lease, asset-backed security is a
thing, and it adds a layer of complexity that really
needs to be looked into. The level to which loans have been securitized
is back to the peaks before the recession. And it’s very understandable, because for
years used car values outperformed residual values. So as these leases matured, the clients–
it was never a risk to the captive bank or the bondholder. When leases mature and they have equity, it’s
a huge boost to new car sales, because the equity can be used towards a down payment. The customer rarely ever returns the car. They’ll choose to buy it before returning
it, because they want that built-in equity, and they
look at it as a value. It’s only when used car values start underperforming
residual values that we need to become concerned. And this is what concerns me about these securitized
loans and leases– it’s needless to say that the amount of residual
losses that are currently on the books unrealized is significant. There are over 10 million leases outstanding,
and for every $1,000 that these captive banks miss that residual calculation
by, every $1,000 represents $10 billion. So now I’m going to focus on GM, because they
have the largest day supply out there right now as far as manufacturers, and their response
has been the most extreme, in my opinion. I was concerned that if we miss sales figures
in April, manufacturers were going to respond by raising incentives pretty aggressively,
because we’re so close to the time of the year
where we have to get rid of leftover product. Higher incentives is exactly what we got. They responded to their day supply problem
very aggressively with a very, very low lease payment
on a Silverado and a 20% reduction from MSRP on a Chevrolet Malibu. One has to consider what the direct effect
of that level of discounting is going to be on
used car values. What’s a one-year-old Silverado worth today? A two-year-old Silverado? If you’re taking 20% off on a new Malibu,
how much do you have to discount that one or
two-year-old Malibu so that, if you try to retail it, there’s some sort of a value proposition
to the new car? As buyers of cars, we look out for incentives,
and we like them to be as big as they possibly can be in order to get a discount on their
shiny, new car. But when Daniel talks about the
incentives and what the dealers are having to do to try to shift some of this massive
inventory overhang, you start to think of it in a different
way. And this notion of incentives and the
degree to with which they’re becoming increasingly more important to the manufacturers, is
something that Michael and I spoke about on our call. The incentives now are at all-time highs–
I think $4,000. I heard an advert on the radio this
past week advertising $14,000 off a Dodge Ram truck. And I was trying to figure out what a
Dodge Ram truck must cost. And that’s got to be a 30% discount on that
thing, or 20%. It’s a good–yeah, the incentives are crazy,
because the lots are full. Driving around South
Florida the lots are full, and there are only so many people for so many cars. There are a lot
of immigrants down here, there are a lot of immigrants in the US, but now there are fewer
immigrants in the US. So if the population stops growing from that
segment, they’re not going to be getting cars. So I think that the industry is running up
against it, and they’re trying to deal with it in the
traditional way on the sales side, on the nontraditional way with the technology and
everything, but it’s not going to be a smooth transition. That commercial I heard on the radio for the
big discount for the Dodge truck– when I heard
it, I was astounded at the sheer size of the discount. But Daniel makes a great point– that this
is something that, once it starts, this is a set of dominoes that just keeps toppling. And as GM
cuts prices, so Ford will have to cut prices, so Chevy cut prices, and the dominoes just
keep cascading. And this is really just starting to get going
now. So it’s a great time to be a buyer of a car
because the incentives you’re going to get offered, but it might not be such a great
time to be a buyer of the stocks of the automakers. Another thing to consider is that when one
manufacturer has a day supply problem– like GM, for example– the other manufacturers
don’t rest while they get their house in order. The auto industry is very, very competitive. Anyone that competes directly with GM is going
to adjust in order to not lose market share. So the heavy discounting becomes contagious
and the unintended collateral damage is used car values. This is all happening at a very bad time,
and it’s why I consider this to be the perfect storm
for used car value declines. There’s such heavy emphasis on new car incentives
to deal with this day supply problem and it’s putting
such enormous pressure on used cars, and the timing couldn’t be worse. Something that I’m keeping an eye on that
is extremely concerning to me is the amount of
2016 leftovers that we have in May of 2017. Pick your favorite search engine for vehicles. Plug in 2016 new cars at any distance, and
you will be amazed at how many vehicles we have available. And we’re halfway into 2017. This is extremely alarming, and the reason
why is because 2016’s represent the most heavily discounted portion of new car inventory,
and these cars aren’t selling. It’s a very
strong indication that demand has fallen for new vehicles. Dealers put a lot of emphasis on making sure
that new vehicles never roll into the next model year. And the reason why is because, at a certain
point in time, a manufacturer will stop supporting leftover models. They’ll simply make a lump sum payment to
the dealership, and at that point, it becomes their problem. This makes the 2016’s that are leftover today
extremely difficult to sell because they’re competing against the heavy incentives on
the 2017’s. In a lot of cases, it’s less expensive,
from a payment standpoint, to purchase a new 2017 versus a heavily discounted 2016. I look at the 2016 leftovers like plaque that
builds in an artery– they’re just slowing things
down. And you have to wonder how many 2017’s are
going to be leftover. Once enough
these cars pile up, the patient has a heart attack. You have to stop production. So perhaps you’ve seen the chart for Morgan
Stanley Research projecting as much as a 50% decline in used car values in the next
two years. When I first saw the chart, I just
simply could not believe that something like that would be possible, knowing full well
that we have a perfect storm that would make that
scenario very, very likely. We have a day
supply problem from new car manufacturers that’s putting a massive amount of pressure
on used car values, ahead of a huge, huge supply
problem from lease maturities. And the
leases are going to go to auction, because they have negative equity. We also have the potential for more supply
from subprime loan defaults. There’s a recent
report that Santander, one of the largest subprime lenders out there, only verified
income on 8% of their customers. This is extremely concerning to me. It’s because the subprime lending industry
is also extremely competitive. When somebody
walks into a dealership, they want to purchase a car and they have bad credit, their
application gets sent to multiple banks. The responses are then reviewed and the most
appealing terms are selected. The most appealing terms are not always interest
rate. Oftentimes the approval that has the
least amount of stipulations, the one that has the least amount of checks, is the one
that’s chosen to quicken the sale. If a customer can’t provide proof of income,
if they can’t provide proof of residence, it could delay the sale. There’s also a risk that the customer might
go to another dealership and purchase from them. The lenders know this, and no income verification
is a competitive advantage. Does any of
that sound familiar? Taking shortcuts, not verifying things, all
in the pursuit of more loan originations? We’ve been here before. Apparently we haven’t learned anything. Daniel asked exactly the right question–
haven’t we learned anything? But unfortunately these
days that question always seems to just be rhetorical, because of course we haven’t learned
anything. We’re right back where we are, and all the
conditions are in place for another storm along the same lines as we saw in 2008. And although, as I said earlier in the program,
the subprime auto sector is a much smaller part of the US economy, the ripples that this
can have through a sector that employs 5% of the
entire US workforce are seriously, seriously dangerous. So having established all this, having understood
where the problems lie, and hopefully giving you some sort of sense of the severity of
them, what happens next? Where do we go from
here? Well, Daniel has a roadmap of his own, which
I want to share with you. What happens next will be a series of events
that will have a domino effect. In my opinion,
what we’ll see next is– we’ve already seen elongated trade cycles in passenger cars. We
will now see elongated trade cycles in light pickup trucks and SUVs. The next thing that we’re going to experiences
is an affordability issue, when residuals– which adjust quarterly– continue to fall
until they reach equilibrium with used car values. New car sales volume will continue to decline. The day supply at dealers will continue to
rise. At some point, dealers will refuse inventory
from manufacturers. When that happens,
manufacturing will slow or stop while we work through the supply issues. This has a potential to last for a very long
time, because we not only have a new car supply problem, we also have an inbound used car
supply problem. And that used car supply
problem is unrelenting until the end of 2019. So that’s how Daniel sees things playing out
in the not too distant future. But I wanted to get
another perspective and I wanted to see what Michael thought. And Michael brought up
something very, very interesting, and that’s the effect that technology is going to have
on the car industry. And unfortunately, like all technological
change, it’s massively deflationary. And for an
industry like the auto industry, that relies on selling more and more cars every year,
that’s another headwind it’s going to have to deal
with. Their balance sheets are OK. The issue is they are wrestling with truly
historic technological shifts. A double whammy of electric cars– or what
I call non-fossil fueled cars– and this driverless car thing. My mom’s a perfect example. My mom is 86. God bless her. She can still drive, but she doesn’t
like to. So we just gave back her car last week. And she doesn’t need it anymore, between
Uber and if she wanted to get a car, we could get her a car that she doesn’t have to drive. I
mean, that’s historic. Otherwise I got to go schlep and take her
everywhere, which I am happy to do. But that’s just a whole segment of the population. And I live down here in Florida, so we see
all these elderly people driving, which is not a good thing. And it just ripples through. It’s
number of cars manufactured. It affects the insurance. It affects everything. But I still think it’s three to five years
away, but it’s three to five years of, I think, a continual
transition away from the traditional auto manufacturers. And unless they are able to shift,
which I think they’re doing– But what does all this mean for us as investors? Michael and Daniel have painted a pretty
troubling picture of the US auto industry, and I wanted to ask Michael how he thought
this would play out and where we as investors should
be looking to try and, A, represent the view that’s been put forward in this video and,
B, the companies and the stocks through which we
want to make some money out of it. When you think about this and you lay this
progression out in your head, where do you think
people should be looking for the first sign? Should they be looking at the credit company? Should they be looking at the Big Three? Should they be looking at like the Ally Financials
or the Santander– the subprime auto loans? Where do you think the signs are going to
come and where do you think people should be focusing
their attention? Well, the first thing is I think the Big Three
are sort of dead money. I think that GM is the
cheapest stock in the S&P 500. And I think its going to stay near the bottom. I just think that these are deep cyclicals,
and they’re just not going to go anywhere, in my
opinion. I mean it is a cheap stock by every measure,
but it’s going to stay cheap because of what we’ve discussed. I think that the problems are going to come. I think that you’re going to see rising defaults
with the lenders, and they’re going to be problematic. And they’re going to have other problems
with consumer loans and everything else, so I think they’re depending on– you have to
sort of go granularly– but I think they’re an area
that’s going to be a problem. What’s interesting is everybody looks at the
financials and go, oh, well, rates are going up,
that’s good for the financials. But it doesn’t always work out that way, because
there are other things going on. And then I think the rental car business is
going to continue to suffer. And then you have the
auto parts industry and anything ancillary, because if in fact– the first wave is going
to be just cyclical. The second wave is going to be structural. And when the structural wave comes, it’s
going to look more like what’s happening in retail, where we actually have much lower
demand for your product. And then you’re going to see the auto parts
makers and so on– the Auto Zones, Pep Boys, and all that stuff. And it’s funny– those seem to be real favorites
of a lot of the hedge funds, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see that money
sort of start to exit, because the macro picture for them is not there yet, but it’s going
to start to become problematic. And that’s a business– one of the reasons
the FANG stocks are so popular is because future
growth is considered very high. I don’t see how you make that case for anything
auto related, other than possibly Tesla– but that story’s
so far ahead of itself it’s just ridiculous. I think that you’re looking at a slowing growth
sector that you need to sort of start exiting, because it’s moving away from the old model
to something that we don’t know what it’s going
to look like, but it’s not going to look the same. OK, so we’ve covered a lot of ground today,
and I want to try and wrap that up for you and
give you an overall sense and recap some of the charts we’ve seen. And the first component
of this that I really want to pay attention to is the physical side of the cars themselves. You look at auto sales which, as you can see
here, have rallied strongly since the trough in
2009, we’ve had six straight years of rising sales. But that trend has clearly changed. And
you can see it’s not just a domestic problem. Domestic cars, imported cars, are all seeing
declines in sales on a year-on-year basis, and that is a big problem for companies like
GM and Ford, for example. And Michael Lewitt calls GM and Ford dead
money, which means he doesn’t expect the stocks to really go anywhere. And that’s never a good thing if you’re looking
to invest in a company, but if you’re looking to short something or
you see a story with problems, then having stocks
that really aren’t going to go anywhere is actually a great head start. If you add into the mix
the finance arms that GM and Ford have, which could be a source of some trouble for them,
as we’ve seen with the loan numbers, that could give you a good tailwind if you want
to have a short in either of those companies. So that’s the physical side of the equation. The other component of this is the finance
side, and this is where, perhaps, the problems are
going to start manifested themselves very soon. Auto loans in total now are over a trillion
dollars– and of that, subprime loans have increased rapidly. And we started to see a–
delinquency rates rise very, very quickly. That shows the stress that these guys are
under because, as Michael pointed out, most of these
loans are at the short end of the curve, and that’s where the Fed tightening is going to
have its biggest effect. So you can expect to see that contagion spread
through the 2015 series of subprime loans are forecast to hit possibly 15% default rates,
which is a significant increase. And this is
going to put some material pressure on companies like Capital One, as you can see here. And another company that you might look at
is Ally Financial. And the third one may be
Credit Acceptance Corporation. But to me the poster child for all this is
Santander. Daniel talked about them only doing due
diligence on about 8% of their subprime loans. And when you understand that those
subprime loans form 80% of their loan book, you realize what a precarious position they’re
in and how easily that stress could come to bear on them and cause severe problems for
the stock. So there you have it. The US auto sector is a big part of the economy–
3% of the economy, employs 5% of the workforce– and it’s a major
driver of US economic performance. And to
me, to Daniel, to Michael, and to many other smart thinkers around the world who are
looking at this stuff, the problems are starting to build in that sector and it looks like
a place that’s going to come under significant pressure. Hopefully we’ve give you a sense of the currents
and the dynamics that are going to create that pressure and we’ve given you a few ideas
as to how you might profit from it.

100 thoughts on “🔴 Subprime Crisis Building In Auto Sector | Real Vision™

  • Hey all, it is all about the aging demographics in Baby Boom generations that is happening in this country. The smaller poorer younger generations cannot spend more to offset the saving rate from the larger wealthier older generations entering into retirement. IT IS THAT SIMPLE! Unless the younger generations will start a 2nd Baby Boom generations soon this economy will not get better anytime soon. Since our currency has been devalued by over 95% in past 100 years, I do Not believe the younger families will decide to have 5 or 7 children per family anytime soon. This is the hard reality and situation we are in this country. This is a hard structure problem and will be very difficult to fix anytime soon.

  • It is also the reason why the retail industry is going bust right now. It is Not Just because everything is moving online, this is all BS.

  • Cheaper insurance so people could have multi vehicles. Flat rate insurance for multiple vehicles like 3 vehicles 3000 a year.

  • Also…Cars are not what they used to be…
    Newer cars, are very Complicated.
    and are eather Term out on Value and can not be repaired economically.
    Here's an idea… Stop constantly changing a modes.

    Make "Good" entry level cars.

  • The real problem is hidden. The problem that is bringing about the death of the U.S. economy is the cancer within the sub-prime loans. The loan originators don't give a rats ass whether you qualify for a loan. Once they get a decent package of these faulty loan products together they sell them on the stock market. I think they hire very talented people to package these D rated loans with some A and B rated loans and sell them as income bearing products to mutual funds. Again, I think they have Mutual Fund managers on the "take" to buy these disaster laden products. The packaged loans end up in portfolios for 401K , 901K and other pension plans. When the derivative bubble pops, and it will, it will decimate all these retirement instruments. The movie clips on YouTube for the movie THE BIG SHORT illustrate vividly how this was done in the housing market leading to the collapse in 2008. Sub-prime auto loans are a duplication of the crisis using a different commodity. As a side note, The sub-prime housing crisis has been re-inflated also. We are in for a severe crash landing.

  • The car industry were always crooks, they sold us crap that rusted out or broke down and never had good mileage and when you traded your car in they robbed you again , now they stopped making small , cheaper cars with high gas mileage and it is all about selling high priced products

  • I have kids that do not drive and do not want to drive so this must be happening all over the USA and these kids will never buy a car , most are stuck with high student loans and that is sucking all their money up and Uber and Lyft make it easy to get around , the auto industry is toast

  • Buy a car It´s a waste of money, important money that you will need it in the furure. Capitalism goes to sink

    In the future, no one will have a car at least you really need it.

  • Many Americans would make the choice to get into debt up to their necks, with the intent of looking good and having the latest and greatest toy. And sadly, loans are given to people who cannot afford to pay.

  • There were some interesting aspects to the video, but I was pretty shocked at the end when Lewitt starts talking like level 4 or 5 automation is currently available on the market (talking about his mother being able to buy a car that drives itself). This simply does not exist on the commercial market today. So acting like this is competing with vehicles on the lot is just wrong.

    And to the extent he's talking (badly and unclearly) about a future trend, how do you ignore that GM is ranked with Waymo as the current leaders in autonomous driving?

    Before someone jumps in about Tesla, no, independent observers rank them about at the bottom, and they report zero autonomous driving miles in California, while meanwhile Cruize publishes impressive videos of managing traffic I wouldn't want to drive in San Francisco.

    So while projecting this whole "the industry is totally going to change and so GM is going to do terribly because it's boring and old", you completely ignore that GM has a very strong bet on the autonomous driving sector which has massive potential, combined with their existing manufacturing capacity and knowledge, and is being priced as if it's just a standard cyclical going into a bad period.

    I think GM has a good potential in the next ten years. It certainly faces some challenges, but it has major advantages as well.

    Disclosure: short TSLA via options; long GM directly

  • My parents bought a nice 4 bedroom 2 bath house with fireplace, 2 car garage in a good neighborhood for 25,000 dollars. This is when I was a child. When I look at car and truck prices now, it's absolutely absurd.

  • They inflated housing prices, college costs, and now vehicle prices. Hmmm, what's the common link? Loans that are difficult for many to keep up with.

  • I just ran a check on Cars dot com. As on February 28, 2019 these are 394,447 2018 model year cars sitting on lots in the USA,

  • No Crisis at McDonald's. They replaced all the folks marching around with cardboard signs demanding high pay.

  • I drive a 2013 Ford F 150, and will drive that mother fuc_er until the wheels fall off. Don't need no stinking new car, way over priced today.

  • New Car prices will become more attractive for certain models when the rate of depreciation reduces artificially as overall used-car prices are boosted by hacks like Kelly Bluebook – which is owned by car dealer conglomerates. BOOM

  • Great job! I Recently retired from a 40+ year career in the automobile business and dealership owner for six franchises. This is exactly how the car business really works! Daniels description of the effect of used cars on the entire industry is very insightful and he is exactly correct!
    Few people outside of upper management within industry, actually realize this. It is so counterintuitive. We are trained to think of new cars first.
    Used cars together with acceptable financing availability are the two key forces that drives the entire industry!!!! Again, great job!😎

  • In December 2001 bought a Jeep Cherokee XJ with a 4.0L engine and a Japanese built Aisin-Warner Auto Trans . Now in 2019 it has 226,000 Miles and it still runs as good as the evening I drove it home with that new car smell in it. I just put one of those air freshener tree things on the rear view mirror (New Car) My jeep never gives me any trouble. Just regular maintenance is all. That truck was designed in 1983 and ran 17 years in production. I will drive it until I meet Jesus.

  • When you squeeze the middle class to maximize profits for the top has consequences.
    Now with millenials buried in education debt they are not buying cars like the previous generations, pair that with millenials not buying suburban homes they live in apartments and a car is a burden not a help.

  • THUMBS DOWN!!!! Am I the only person who recognizes the gent driving the car is driving distracted?? He is continually looking to the side where the camera is located. This is a bad idea, it is dangerous and potentially fatal.

  • The real issue remains this WH has allowed putin to dictate our economy placing our nation at greater risk

    Someone had better pay attention before the global economy implodes

  • Excellent documentary! Thank you!
    I live in Winnipeg, Canada. Over the past 3-5 years, auto dealers have been building massive fenced in storage lots, often a ways away from their dealerships. This is due to lack of space available for inventory on their lots. It’s quite revealing about just how over saturated the new vehicle inventory is. And more and more of these storage facilities are being built all over town. At some point, it’s going to come crashing down… just don’t know when.

  • As long as it's cheap to borrow money, asset prices will remain high. Why? Because people could "afford" to finance for longer periods. They really can't afford it, but they think they can if the monthly payment is juicy enough for their liking,

  • A debt economy also inflates prices because people with little to no money also make up the pool of people in demand for these products. If anyone can buy them, then demand can remain high regardless of how many cars are produced.

  • It doesn’t make much sense to own a car after you retired, there are better choices: uber, lft, public transportation

  • this is just the beginning of the drop in all consumer goods, we're retiring and reducing our spending by half. We have to because we've been stiffed in the pensions by wall street for 30 years.

  • Why is it that it takes non us people to tell us that we are fuck ups once again. They don't know shit.jaws flapping but no brains.

  • TLDW:

    – Car Prices are Too High, while average wages stay the same.

    also a little note from me, Sh*t is about to hit the fan with Auto Loans. There is now more than 7 Million people delinquent on their car loans that are passed 90 days.

    all those "BAD CREDIT. NO JOB. NO LICENSE. APPROVED!" practice at dealerships is now coming back around to bite the Auto Industry in the Heeney.

  • And some people got screwe over with new cars and now buy 2nd hand plus it can be cheaper to take uber Lyft kr Juno

  • There are millions of cars sitting on the docks worldwide rotting that haven't even gone out to the dealerships. The rest is a moot point.

  • If u cut taxes on the small people they will have more money to spend on cars lower gas prices and lower auto insurance cost for a start.

  • I noticed that you missed the most important idea- the system is screwed and car salesmen are psychopaths.Of course, there is more to it than that, but simplicity fucking rules!

  • all car companies need to go Ev.. fuk Russia, fuk saudi n fuk the countries that are ripping off the world. that means Fuck You Goldman Suckers, Fuckyou BOA, FuckU All the POS Banks that stole from the world by holding the ships at sea full of fuel. You stole from the world and sold to ISIS.. Fuk u POS who sold his mother For 2cents on the dollar

  • Obama just did the Cash for clunkers to make himself look good, it was like a steroid shot in the economy(short term fix) for a failing economy.

  • When are they going to figure out that you can't sell new cars, when only 10 percent of the people can afford them!!!

  • Debt creates bubbles. What you have up here is people financing vehicles for 7-9 years, trading them in after 2 years and end up with 150% of vehicle value financed. That is great short term gains for the industry but will create a bubble that will pop as those people who buy new cars won’t be able to finance any more and either end up with vehicles repossessed or, at best, driving their 10 year financed car until it’s worthless

  • What a waste of time… this video is out of date.
    All the data/ graphs finish in 2016-7, this is 2019!+I did give it a thumbs up though – I really hope the whole lot of the ICE car manufacturers go CRASH.
    You're all finished, you just haven't realised it yet.

  • What makes me fucking laugh, is the fact that all these DOOM and GLOOM FAT HEADS , keep on saying that the sky is FALLING and NOTHING HAPPENS ! Please, wake me up when the SHTF . OTHERWISE, FUCK OOOFFFFFF ! ! !

  • I wish Amazon would sell cars. Just send my car by freight and unload it in my driveway . NOOOO SHIT HEAD DEALER . Cheers ! ! !

  • Autodrive cars deez nuts in your mouth old man. I will legislate that bullshit out of existence if I have to.

  • no let me tell you you don't own your car the car lot sends your title to the government and you get a certificate to your car not a title to your car now everybody is finding out just say the government is criminals you don't even own your home hahahahahahaha you know how you lead a cow by his nose that's how you're been lead and those same people you looked down on you wear they shoes now all of those cars rotting on a lot acres and acres of land just stupid

  • 3 Kinds of PEOPLES in this World that we DISLIKE (Politicians)( Real estate Agents) and (Cars Salesman’s) the worst kind it’s like a Box Of Chocolat you never no what you going to get With those Peoples

  • I read an article a while back that looked at the optimal age to purchase and sell a used car. They found that the optimal age to purchase a car was 10 years old and the optimal age to sell was at 15 years. So their advice was to just keep purchasing vehicles that are 10 years old and sell at 15 and to keep doing that because after 15 years the maintenance costs tend to spike.

  • If you brought a car for $40K then you deserves to go bankrupt.
    Use car price hasn't gone down. There is a 2012 Toyota Rav4 for $18K in a dealership.
    The number of immigrants isn't declining. There are million of illegals on south of the border waiting to rush in.
    My 2009 Corolla is paid for. I love the car and no payments.

  • Finished watching to video just to hear all the BS. Used car prices are extremely high because the demand for used cars are high because new cars prices are even higher.

  • overwhelming, informative and I will need more time to study what I just heard on this video. Very good video

  • Simple…people buying cars on 84 month payments……cars they can not really afford…now we have another couple of bubbles..car loans and student loans…both which will probably crash in the near future….I keep my cars for 10 years…never buy high end lux models….and pay cash!

  • That's a relief – Less vehicles on the road will save the Climate & better still comfortable driving conditions on the roads in the US & may also crash the Fuel Prices.

  • New Car prices are way too frigging high! So demand for used is high! Which brings the old supply and demand law into perspective. Pricing and the market needs to cool a little imo. Work on more discounts on new and used or let em sit on the lot dumbass

  • Financial teachers such as Dave Ramsey are right: AVOID DEBT. Borrowing for things that immediately lost value (e.g., a new car) is STUPID. Borrowing for things that create zero income and/or increase expenses (e.g., any car or home) is STUPID.

  • The average car-loan payment in the U.S.A is over U.S.$500 per month over 84 months = U.S.$42,000 average total wasted money. What is far worse is the opportunity-cost: what that amount of money invested wisely would be worth over one's lifetime.

  • As for the age of vehicle fleet in america being over 10 years old now. Mechanic labor rates I believe are also too high now for these used cars, if your car is 10 years old and is worth only a few thousand it makes no sense to spend 100 dollar hour labor. But these old cars are still on the road, so somehow they're getting repaired. I do see there is many retail auto parts stores around. Many people must be doing the repairs themselves or using some underground economy, like the guy down the street they know who can fix cars. I think this might be caused a mixture of things, supply and demand for mechanics is one thing. So the labor rate is not going to go down. But also new cars are too expensive, so your kinda put in a tough spot if you have an old vehicle. Spend a lot of money at the mechanic on car that isn't worth the labor, Spend a ton of money buying a new car, or buy another used car and end up with new issues it comes with, or do the repairs DIY or by some shadetree mechanic down the street.

  • No. What happened was that car Co's flooded the market with new car deals this in turn flooded the used car market, further pushing down their value. A saturation in the new and used acr markets, which is great for the consumer at the cost of the car manufacturer.

  • Good for the consumer, the end user. What can be so bad about that. The Auto industry does not make recessions happen it never has happened and never will happen it's just the Auto industry they're not going to have any significant effect on the economy

  • I bought my last new vehicle in 2008 paid 40,000 cash Ran it into the ground they wanted 55,000 for the same model stuff you Toyota so I bought a new Chinese one for 37,000 will get my next new one in 11 years time they wanted to charge me 43,000 for my new one but I rang other dealers Got the latest model and got 6000 discount They were trying to get rid of a new older model but I told them what I could get from another dealer first they didn’t believe me but they were so desperate they had to do the deal they were so pissed they didn’t even put a tank of fuel in it all car dealers are tossers and deserve what they get

  • The best of all this analysis is at the minute 34 and 58’ secs. Sell ford/GM/Chrysler stocks and buys Tesla’s. Before is to expensive and you loose the opportunity. Remember and see where are Amazon, Google, Apple…

  • Here are some researched numbers.A new car costs on average 37k.Average used car payment is $394,New car payment is $565.More than 7 million car owners are three months or more late on their payments.This economy has never fully recovered from 2008-9.We are in a recession.

  • Let's see. Cars are insanely expensive, laden with a bunch of bullshit government mandated technology that I don't need to get from A to B safely. I will not buy a new car ever again. I make very decent income. But I have no debt, and I will keep it that way. $20, $30, $40k for a new car. Screw that. Nope. Never again. Auto industry is doomed by their own greed and stupidity. We should have let them all fail in 2009. Nothing changed, and here we go again. This is the end of the road.

  • Cash for klunkers also stripped the market of the real-cheap-fixable car. Sort of like raising minimum strips the market of starter jobs.

  • Here's a thought. My 16 year old 68k miles Jag cost me £2.3k 4 years ago. Its cost around £700 on MoT and a further £500 on repairs over 4 years. Total cost £3,500 = £72.91 monthly.
    It is a total waste of money either leasing or buying new.

  • GM is whoring their cars. When they are unprofitable again they will want another bail out. Their management is incompetent .The dealers suffer when GM offers huge $10,000 discounts on TV. They make it hard on their dealers to be profitable as people’s expectations are high as they enter the dealers lot.

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