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>>THEY SAY UKRAINE’S GOVERNMENT WAS SLOW TO FIRE THE PROSECUTOR WAS SLOW TO FIRE THE PROSECUTOR DESPITE WARNINGS FROM SBAIRM DESPITE WARNINGS FROM SBAIRM INTERNATIONAL MONETARY BOARD. INTERNATIONAL MONETARY BOARD.>>CAN YOU KNOW WHAT I FOUND>>CAN YOU KNOW WHAT I FOUND BOUGHT JOE BIDEN? BOUGHT JOE BIDEN? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I TOLD MY DO YOU KNOW WHAT I TOLD MY COLLEAGUE? COLLEAGUE? THEY’RE GOING TO COVER THIS UP. THEY’RE GOING TO COVER THIS UP. TOO BAD BIDEN’S INVOLVED IN TOO BAD BIDEN’S INVOLVED IN THIS. THIS. I GOT A NICE STRAIGHT CASE OF I GOT A NICE STRAIGHT CASE OF UKRAINIAN COLLUSION. UKRAINIAN COLLUSION. THE MINUTE I SAY BIDEN THAT THE MINUTE I SAY BIDEN THAT WASHINGTON PRESS CORPS IS GOING WASHINGTON PRESS CORPS IS GOING TO GO NUTS. TO GO NUTS. THEY’VE BEEN COVERING UP FOR THEY’VE BEEN COVERING UP FOR YEARS. YEARS.>>NOW YOU’RE STRAYING INTO>>NOW YOU’RE STRAYING INTO AREAS — AREAS –>>NO, I’M NOT.>>NO, I’M NOT. I’M STRAYING INTO WHAT IS WRONG I’M STRAYING INTO WHAT IS WRONG WITH US TODAY. WITH US TODAY.>>WE NEED TO POINT OUT — WE>>WE NEED TO POINT OUT — WE NEED TO POINT OUT THAT THE NEED TO POINT OUT THAT THE PROSECUTOR WHO WAS APPOINTED PROSECUTOR WHO WAS APPOINTED AFTER SPOKEHOKIN WAS FIRED AFTER SPOKEHOKIN WAS FIRED REANIMATED THE CASE AND FOUND REANIMATED THE CASE AND FOUND HUNTER BIDEN WAS PAID MILLIONS HUNTER BIDEN WAS PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BUT HE SAID THAT THE OF DOLLARS BUT HE SAID THAT THE BOARD WAS ABLE TO PAY A BOARD BOARD WAS ABLE TO PAY A BOARD MEMBER WHATEVER THEY WANTED AND MEMBER WHATEVER THEY WANTED AND HE DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING WRONG HE DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. WITH THAT.>>IT’S SO DISTORTED.>>IT’S SO DISTORTED.>>I’M POINTING OUT A FACT.>>I’M POINTING OUT A FACT.>>IF YOU DID ANY WORK, YOU’D>>IF YOU DID ANY WORK, YOU’D FIND THAT HE WAS THE PROSECUTOR FIND THAT HE WAS THE PROSECUTOR THAT BIDEN PUT IN. THAT BIDEN PUT IN.>>ONE OTHER POINT.>>ONE OTHER POINT.>>NO, I’M NOT GOING TO ANSWER>>NO, I’M NOT GOING TO ANSWER ANOTHER QUESTION UNLESS YOU LET ANOTHER QUESTION UNLESS YOU LET ME FINISH. ME FINISH. THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN COVERED UP FOR THAT HAVE BEEN COVERED UP FOR YEARS TO PROTECT SLIMY JOE. YEARS TO PROTECT SLIMY JOE.>>YOU KNOW, SO HERE WE ARE,>>YOU KNOW, SO HERE WE ARE, RICHARD HAASS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE RICHARD HAASS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE RUPERT MURDOCKS “WALL STREET RUPERT MURDOCKS “WALL STREET JOURNAL” PUTTING OUT A FACT JOURNAL” PUTTING OUT A FACT CHECK SHOWING THAT EVERYTHING CHECK SHOWING THAT EVERYTHING RUDY GIULIANI IS SAYING IS A RUDY GIULIANI IS SAYING IS A LIE. LIE. AND FOX NEWS, RUPERT MURDOCHS AND FOX NEWS, RUPERT MURDOCHS FOX NEWS SAYING THAT EVERYTHING FOX NEWS SAYING THAT EVERYTHING HE’S SAYING IS A LIE. HE’S SAYING IS A LIE. IS RICHARD THERE? IS RICHARD THERE?>>I’M HERE.>>I’M HERE.>>I WANT TO SEE HIM WHILE I’M>>I WANT TO SEE HIM WHILE I’M TALKING TO HIM. TALKING TO HIM.>>HE LOOKS GREAT.>>HE LOOKS GREAT.>>HE DOES LOOK GREAT.>>HE DOES LOOK GREAT. YOU HAVE FOX NEWS AND “THE WALL YOU HAVE FOX NEWS AND “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” SAYING THAT STREET JOURNAL” SAYING THAT EVERYTHING THAT RUDY GIULIANI IS EVERYTHING THAT RUDY GIULIANI IS CLAIMING IS A LIE. CLAIMING IS A LIE. JOHN ROBERTS EVEN STARTED JOHN ROBERTS EVEN STARTED SMIRKING AT FOX NEWS BECAUSE IT SMIRKING AT FOX NEWS BECAUSE IT WAS SO EMBARRASSING HOW MUCH WAS SO EMBARRASSING HOW MUCH RUDY GIULIANI WAS MAKING A FOOL RUDY GIULIANI WAS MAKING A FOOL OF HIMSELF. OF HIMSELF. SO GIULIANI’S ONLY RESPONSE AT SO GIULIANI’S ONLY RESPONSE AT THE END WAS TO CALL HIM SLIMY THE END WAS TO CALL HIM SLIMY JOE BECAUSE HE WAS — HE WAS JOE BECAUSE HE WAS — HE WAS MAKING SUCH AN — OF HIMSELF. MAKING SUCH AN — OF HIMSELF. IT’S VERY TELLING THAT YOU HAVE IT’S VERY TELLING THAT YOU HAVE THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” AND THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL” AND FOX NEWS CALLING OUT THESE LIES, FOX NEWS CALLING OUT THESE LIES, AND YOU’RE ACTUALLY THERE WHEN AND YOU’RE ACTUALLY THERE WHEN BIDEN WAS AT THE COUNSEL ON BIDEN WAS AT THE COUNSEL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS EXPLAINING HOW FOREIGN RELATIONS EXPLAINING HOW THE ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD WAS THE ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD WAS SAYING THIS PROSECUTOR HAD TO SAYING THIS PROSECUTOR HAD TO GET FIRED BECAUSE NOBODY WAS GET FIRED BECAUSE NOBODY WAS GOING TO LOAN UKRAINE MONEY IF GOING TO LOAN UKRAINE MONEY IF THEY DIDN’T START CLEANING UP THEY DIDN’T START CLEANING UP CORRUPTION. CORRUPTION. EXPLAIN THAT. EXPLAIN THAT.>>EXACTLY.>>EXACTLY. THIS PROSECUTOR WAS PART OF A THIS PROSECUTOR WAS PART OF A MUCH LARGER PROBLEM UNDER THE MUCH LARGER PROBLEM UNDER THE PREVIOUS REGIME, UKRAINE WAS PREVIOUS REGIME, UKRAINE WAS NOTORIOUS FOR BEING — THERE WAS NOTORIOUS FOR BEING — THERE WAS SYSTEMATIC KRURPTION. SYSTEMATIC KRURPTION. THEY REFUSED TO CREATE AN THEY REFUSED TO CREATE AN INDEPENDENT CORRUPTION COURT AND INDEPENDENT CORRUPTION COURT AND THE PROSECUTORS THEY HAD WERE THE PROSECUTORS THEY HAD WERE TOO WEAK OR WERE PART OF THE TOO WEAK OR WERE PART OF THE PROBLEM, AS THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM, AS THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL WAS. WAS. SO THE ARGUMENTS THAT THE UNITED SO THE ARGUMENTS THAT THE UNITED STATES HAD IN THE PAST UNDER THE STATES HAD IN THE PAST UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WERE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WERE TOTALLY LEGITIMATE. TOTALLY LEGITIMATE. AND WE WERE NOT ALONE. AND WE WERE NOT ALONE. IT WASN’T AS THOUGH IT WAS A IT WASN’T AS THOUGH IT WAS A UNILATERAL PROBLEM WITH UKRAINE. UNILATERAL PROBLEM WITH UKRAINE. IT WAS THE IMF, ALL THE IT WAS THE IMF, ALL THE EUROPEANS. EUROPEANS. IT MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO HELP IT MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO HELP UKRAINE AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO UKRAINE AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO HELP UKRAINE IN ORDER TO PUSH HELP UKRAINE IN ORDER TO PUSH BACK AGAINST PUTIN AND RUSSIA. BACK AGAINST PUTIN AND RUSSIA. THE U.S. POLICY WAS TOTALLY THE U.S. POLICY WAS TOTALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD AT THE TIME, JOE. WORLD AT THE TIME, JOE.>>AND SO WHAT, JONATHAN LEMIRE,>>AND SO WHAT, JONATHAN LEMIRE, THE PRESIDENT HAS FELT UNDER THE PRESIDENT HAS FELT UNDER SIEGE ESPECIALLY SINCE FRIDAY SIEGE ESPECIALLY SINCE FRIDAY AND HE HAS “THE WALL STREET AND HE HAS “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL,” RUPERT MURDOCH’S WALL JOURNAL,” RUPERT MURDOCH’S WALL STREET JOURNAL BREAKING THE NEWS STREET JOURNAL BREAKING THE NEWS THAT EIGHT TIMES HE PRESSURED THAT EIGHT TIMES HE PRESSURED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE, EIGHT TIMES TO WORK WITH HIS EIGHT TIMES TO WORK WITH HIS PERSONAL LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI ON PERSONAL LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI ON TICKING UP TICKING UP DIGGING UP DIRT ON HIS DROMSOMES DIGGING UP DIRT ON HIS DROMSOMES RIVAL. RIVAL. AND THEN RUDY GIULIANI IS JUST AND THEN RUDY GIULIANI IS JUST MAKING UP FIFTH GRADE NAMES TO MAKING UP FIFTH GRADE NAMES TO TRY TO ATTACK JOE BIDEN. TRY TO ATTACK JOE BIDEN. WHERE HAS THE WHITE HOUSE BEEN WHERE HAS THE WHITE HOUSE BEEN THIS WEEKEND, ESPECIALLY WHITE THIS WEEKEND, ESPECIALLY WHITE HOUSE INSIDERS ON HANDLING A HOUSE INSIDERS ON HANDLING A SCANDAL THAT THEY KNOW IS GOING SCANDAL THAT THEY KNOW IS GOING TO COST THE PRESIDENT REAL TO COST THE PRESIDENT REAL POLITICAL PAIN? POLITICAL PAIN?>>WELL, FIRST I THINK THE>>WELL, FIRST I THINK THE FRAMING YOU USED EARLIER IS FRAMING YOU USED EARLIER IS RIGHT. RIGHT. THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO’S THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO’S SUFFERED VERY FEW CONSEQUENCES SUFFERED VERY FEW CONSEQUENCES AND PAID NO PENALTY FOR HIS AND PAID NO PENALTY FOR HIS ACTIONS. ACTIONS. I THINK THE TIMING OF THAT PHONE I THINK THE TIMING OF THAT PHONE CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT IS ILLUMINATING. PRESIDENT IS ILLUMINATING. IT WAS THIS PAST JULY. IT WAS THIS PAST JULY. IT WAS ONE DAY AFTER, ONE DAY IT WAS ONE DAY AFTER, ONE DAY AFTER ROBERT MUELLER’S AFTER ROBERT MUELLER’S APPEARANCE BEFORE CONGRESS AND APPEARANCE BEFORE CONGRESS AND HIS SOMEWHAT FALTERING TESTIMONY HIS SOMEWHAT FALTERING TESTIMONY ABOUT THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. ABOUT THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. THE PRESIDENT SURVIVED THAT THE PRESIDENT SURVIVED THAT PROBE WITH FAR LESS DAMAGE THAN PROBE WITH FAR LESS DAMAGE THAN MOST PEOPLE PREDICTED. MOST PEOPLE PREDICTED. THERE WAS A SENSE THAT HE WAS THERE WAS A SENSE THAT HE WAS EMBOLDENED AND COULD DO WHATEVER EMBOLDENED AND COULD DO WHATEVER HE WANTED. HE WANTED. AND IN THIS MATTER HE PRESSED AND IN THIS MATTER HE PRESSED UKRAINE FOR HELP AGAINST JOE UKRAINE FOR HELP AGAINST JOE BIDEN. BIDEN. THE VERY THING HE WAS THE VERY THING HE WAS INVESTIGATED BEFORE WITH RUSSIA, INVESTIGATED BEFORE WITH RUSSIA, THE IDEA OF RECEIVING HELPFOREIG THE IDEA OF RECEIVING HELPFOREIG HELP IN AN ELECTION IT SEEMED HELP IN AN ELECTION IT SEEMED LIKE HE WAS DOING AGAIN. LIKE HE WAS DOING AGAIN. THE PRESIDENT HAS DOWN PLAYED THE PRESIDENT HAS DOWN PLAYED IT. IT. HE SUGGESTED HE SPARRED WITH HE SUGGESTED HE SPARRED WITH REPORTERS. REPORTERS. ON FRIDAY, AGAIN OVER THE ON FRIDAY, AGAIN OVER THE WEEKEND, YESTERDAY IN TEXAS WEEKEND, YESTERDAY IN TEXAS MUSED THAT HE MIGHT PUT OUT THE MUSED THAT HE MIGHT PUT OUT THE TRANSCRIPT AT SOME POINT THAT TRANSCRIPT AT SOME POINT THAT WOULD CLEAR HIS NAME. WOULD CLEAR HIS NAME. HE HOLD TOLD PEOPLE AROUND HIM HE HOLD TOLD PEOPLE AROUND HIM HE DOES NOT THINK HE’S DONE HE DOES NOT THINK HE’S DONE ANYTHING WRONG AND THEREFORE HE ANYTHING WRONG AND THEREFORE HE THINKS THIS S’MORE OF ANOTHER OF THINKS THIS S’MORE OF ANOTHER OF A DEEP STATE WHISTLEBLOWER, A DEEP STATE WHISTLEBLOWER, PARTISAN WHISTLEBLOWER TRYING TO PARTISAN WHISTLEBLOWER TRYING TO UNDERMINE HIM. UNDERMINE HIM. BUT PEOPLE AROUND HIM, THOUGH, BUT PEOPLE AROUND HIM, THOUGH, THERE IS A DEGREE OF WORRY, THAT THERE IS A DEGREE OF WORRY, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD LEAD TO A REAL PROBLEM. LEAD TO A REAL PROBLEM. WE ARE SEEING RISING CALLS FOR WE ARE SEEING RISING CALLS FOR IMPEACHMENT IN THE HOUSE. IMPEACHMENT IN THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, ADAM SCHIFF IS YOU KNOW, ADAM SCHIFF IS SUDDENLY MOVING THAT DIRECTION. SUDDENLY MOVING THAT DIRECTION. SPEAKER PELOSI NOT YET. SPEAKER PELOSI NOT YET. CONGRESSWOMAN ALC TOOK TO CONGRESSWOMAN ALC TOOK TO TWITTER TO BLAST THE LEADERSHIP TWITTER TO BLAST THE LEADERSHIP OVER THE WEEKEND TO SAY WHY ARE OVER THE WEEKEND TO SAY WHY ARE WE NOT MOVING TO IMPEACH HERE? WE NOT MOVING TO IMPEACH HERE? SO THERE IS SOME GROWING SO THERE IS SOME GROWING MOMENTUM THERE. MOMENTUM THERE. THERE’S CONCERN AMONG THE WHITE THERE’S CONCERN AMONG THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. NOW, AS THE PRESIDENT COMES HERE NOW, AS THE PRESIDENT COMES HERE TO NEW YORK FOR THE UNITED TO NEW YORK FOR THE UNITED NATIONS, THIS CONVERSATION, THE NATIONS, THIS CONVERSATION, THE MATTER WITH UKRAINE, IS GOING TO MATTER WITH UKRAINE, IS GOING TO PROVIDE A BACKDROP FOR THE PROVIDE A BACKDROP FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK. ENTIRE WEEK.>>OF COURSE THERE’S NO PRESS>>OF COURSE THERE’S NO PRESS SECRETARY TO SPEAK OF SO IT’S SECRETARY TO SPEAK OF SO IT’S HARD TO GET, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE HARD TO GET, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF FORMAL STATEMENT ABOUT THIS. OF FORMAL STATEMENT ABOUT THIS. BUT, WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP, BUT, WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP, THERE’S ALWAYS MNUCHIN. THERE’S ALWAYS MNUCHIN. HERE’S STEVE MNUCHIN. HERE’S STEVE MNUCHIN.>>WHAT I DO FIND IS>>WHAT I DO FIND IS INAPPROPRIATE IS THE FACT THAT INAPPROPRIATE IS THE FACT THAT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AT THE VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AT THE TIME’S SON DID VERY SIGNIFICANT TIME’S SON DID VERY SIGNIFICANT BUSINESS DEALINGS IN UKRAINE. BUSINESS DEALINGS IN UKRAINE. I, FOR ONE, FIND THAT TO BE I, FOR ONE, FIND THAT TO BE CONCERNING. CONCERNING. AND, TO ME, THAT’S THE ISSUE AND, TO ME, THAT’S THE ISSUE THAT PERHAPS SHOULD BE FURTHER THAT PERHAPS SHOULD BE FURTHER INVESTIGATED. INVESTIGATED.>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND.>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND. SO IT’S OKAY FOR DONALD TRUMP SO IT’S OKAY FOR DONALD TRUMP JR. AND ERIC TRUMP DO BUSINESS JR. AND ERIC TRUMP DO BUSINESS ALL OVER THE WORLD, IT’S OKAY ALL OVER THE WORLD, IT’S OKAY FOR IVANKA TRUMP TO HAVE FOR IVANKA TRUMP TO HAVE COPYRIGHT LAWS ALL OVER THE COPYRIGHT LAWS ALL OVER THE WORLD WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP IS WORLD WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PRESIDENT, BUT WHILE JOE BIDEN PRESIDENT, BUT WHILE JOE BIDEN WAS VICE PRESIDENT HIS SON WAS VICE PRESIDENT HIS SON SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO BUSINESS DEALINGS? BUSINESS DEALINGS?>>I DON’T WANT TO GO INTO MORE>>I DON’T WANT TO GO INTO MORE OF THESE DETAILS — OF THESE DETAILS –>>WELL YOU’RE SETTING A>>WELL YOU’RE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT THE PRESIDENT IS PRECEDENT THAT THE PRESIDENT IS VIOLATING. VIOLATING.>>I THINK THERE’S A SIGNIFICANT>>I THINK THERE’S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN WHICH YOU’RE DIFFERENCE IN WHICH YOU’RE SAYING. SAYING. WHAT I WAS SAYING BETWEEN BIDEN WHAT I WAS SAYING BETWEEN BIDEN AND HIS SON’S RELATIONSHIP WITH AND HIS SON’S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UKRAINE OLIGARCH. THE UKRAINE OLIGARCH. AND POTENTIAL BUSINESS DEALINGS AND POTENTIAL BUSINESS DEALINGS THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HAS THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HAS HAD WHICH PREDATED HIS HAD WHICH PREDATED HIS PRESIDENCY. PRESIDENCY.>>SNAS DEEP.>>SNAS DEEP.>>YOU HAVE RUDY GIULIANI MAKING>>YOU HAVE RUDY GIULIANI MAKING A FOOL OF HIMSELF ON FOX NEWS A FOOL OF HIMSELF ON FOX NEWS AND THEN MNUCHIN DOING THE SAME AND THEN MNUCHIN DOING THE SAME ON CNN. ON CNN. AND YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP DOING AND YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP DOING WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES ALL THE WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES ALL THE TIME, HE ADMITS THE SCANDAL IN TIME, HE ADMITS THE SCANDAL IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. BROAD DAYLIGHT. AND BECAUSE HE ADMITS THE AND BECAUSE HE ADMITS THE SCANDAL IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, SCANDAL IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT DUG UP, HE INSTEAD OF HAVING IT DUG UP, HE THINKS THAT MAKES EVERYTHING THINKS THAT MAKES EVERYTHING OKAY. OKAY. IT DOES NOT. IT DOES NOT. AND THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED HAVING AND THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED HAVING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, COMMANDER AND CHIEF, STATES, COMMANDER AND CHIEF, USING HIS POSITION. USING HIS POSITION.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>TO HAVE A FOREIGN POWER TRY>>TO HAVE A FOREIGN POWER TRY TO DIG UP DIRT ON AN AMERICAN TO DIG UP DIRT ON AN AMERICAN DOMESTIC RIVAL. DOMESTIC RIVAL. IT IS A CONTINUED BLURRING OF IT IS A CONTINUED BLURRING OF THE LINES FROM 2016 AND IT IS THE LINES FROM 2016 AND IT IS UNAMERICAN. UNAMERICAN.>>MICHAEL STEELE, IS THIS THE>>MICHAEL STEELE, IS THIS THE LINE FOR REPUBLICANS? LINE FOR REPUBLICANS?>>AH.>>AH. [ LAUGHTER ] [ LAUGHTER ] NO. NO. NOT IF JOHN CORNYN’S RESPONSE TO NOT IF JOHN CORNYN’S RESPONSE TO THIS WAS ANY INDICATION. THIS WAS ANY INDICATION.>>WHAT’S IT GOING TO SNB WHAT’S>>WHAT’S IT GOING TO SNB WHAT’S IT IT TO BE? TO BE? WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE? WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE?>>IS ANOTHER CORNYN CAME OUT>>IS ANOTHER CORNYN CAME OUT AND SAID I FIND ALL OF THIS TO AND SAID I FIND ALL OF THIS TO BE TROUBLING ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND BE TROUBLING ABOUT JOE BIDEN AND STARTED THE TYPICAL WASHINGTON STARTED THE TYPICAL WASHINGTON BACKSTROKE OF WE NEED TO GET BACKSTROKE OF WE NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION. MORE INFORMATION. I SERVE ON SENATE INTELLIGENCE I SERVE ON SENATE INTELLIGENCE AND I’M SURE WE’LL FIND OUT AND I’M SURE WE’LL FIND OUT WHATEVER WITHOUT HAVING ANY, YOU WHATEVER WITHOUT HAVING ANY, YOU KNOW, INITIAL VISCERAL REACTION KNOW, INITIAL VISCERAL REACTION TO WHAT “THE WALL STREET TO WHAT “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL’S” REPORTING, WHAT JOURNAL’S” REPORTING, WHAT YOU’VE OPENED THIS SHOW UP ABOUT YOU’VE OPENED THIS SHOW UP ABOUT DETAILING, WHAT THE EVIDENCE DETAILING, WHAT THE EVIDENCE DISPLAYS. DISPLAYS. AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, GIULIANI AND MNUCHIN GOING ON GIULIANI AND MNUCHIN GOING ON TELEVISION BEING ACTUALLY TELEVISION BEING ACTUALLY LAUGHABLE IN THEIR RESPONSE. LAUGHABLE IN THEIR RESPONSE. BUT THAT’S THE POINT. BUT THAT’S THE POINT. IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO CLARIFY, IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO CLARIFY, IT’S NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU A IT’S NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT LINE ARGUMENT THAT THIS STRAIGHT LINE ARGUMENT THAT THIS IS NOT BAD OR THERE’S NO IS NOT BAD OR THERE’S NO PROBLEM, IT IS TO CREATE THE PROBLEM, IT IS TO CREATE THE LEVEL OF CONFUSION. LEVEL OF CONFUSION. JOE, YOU HAVE IT EXACTLY RIGHT. JOE, YOU HAVE IT EXACTLY RIGHT. THE PRESIDENT COMES OUTS AND THE PRESIDENT COMES OUTS AND TELLS YEAH, YEAH, DID I IT, SO TELLS YEAH, YEAH, DID I IT, SO WHAT? WHAT? AND SO AS YOU STARTED THE SHOW AND SO AS YOU STARTED THE SHOW TALKING ABOUT AND READING TALKING ABOUT AND READING REPORTS ABOUT THERE ARE NO REPORTS ABOUT THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES, THAT’S THE WORLD CONSEQUENCES, THAT’S THE WORLD IN WHICH DONALD TRUMP THRIVES IN WHICH DONALD TRUMP THRIVES BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NO BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NO CONSEQUENCES. CONSEQUENCES. SO IT’S NOW A MATTER ON SO IT’S NOW A MATTER ON SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT AS THIS SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT AS THIS WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTRY IS WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTRY IS WILLING TO MAKE THE PRESIDENT WILLING TO MAKE THE PRESIDENT PAY A CONSEQUENCE FOR BEHAVIOR PAY A CONSEQUENCE FOR BEHAVIOR THAT LEADS TO REAL QUESTIONS THAT LEADS TO REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT IMPEACHMENT. ABOUT IMPEACHMENT. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS AND I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS SOMETHING OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS OR MORE WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO OR MORE WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AS THE MEMBERS ON THE FIGURE OUT AS THE MEMBERS ON THE HILL GET MICROPHONES PUT IN HILL GET MICROPHONES PUT IN FRONT OF THEIR FACES TO SEE FRONT OF THEIR FACES TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY’RE WILLING WHETHER OR NOT THEY’RE WILLING TO HOLD THE PRESIDENT TO A TO HOLD THE PRESIDENT TO A STANDARD THAT WE’VE HELD EVERY STANDARD THAT WE’VE HELD EVERY PRESIDENT WHO’S HAD THE JOB PRESIDENT WHO’S HAD THE JOB BEFORE. BEFORE.>>WELL, AND, JON MEACHAM, WHAT>>WELL, AND, JON MEACHAM, WHAT GREAT ILLUMINATION WE HAVE INTO GREAT ILLUMINATION WE HAVE INTO THE SO, NOT OF AMERICA, BUT THE SO, NOT OF AMERICA, BUT THE SOUL OF THE REPUBLICAN THE SOUL OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. PARTY. YOU HAVE ONE REPUBLICAN AFTER YOU HAVE ONE REPUBLICAN AFTER ANOTHER TRYING TO BRUSH ASIDE ANOTHER TRYING TO BRUSH ASIDE THE FACT THAT THEIR PRESIDENT, THE FACT THAT THEIR PRESIDENT, THE COMMANDER AND CHIEF, SPOKE THE COMMANDER AND CHIEF, SPOKE TO A FOREIGN LEADER EIGHT TIMES TO A FOREIGN LEADER EIGHT TIMES AND INTIMIDATED HIM EIGHT TIMES AND INTIMIDATED HIM EIGHT TIMES TO USE HIS PERSONAL LAWYER TO TO USE HIS PERSONAL LAWYER TO DIG UP DIRT IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY DIG UP DIRT IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY AGAINST A DOMESTIC RIVAL, EIGHT AGAINST A DOMESTIC RIVAL, EIGHT TIMES. TIMES. MITT ROMNEY EVEN CAME OUT. MITT ROMNEY EVEN CAME OUT. IT’S SURREAL. IT’S SURREAL. ALL OF IT IS SO SURREAL AND ALL ALL OF IT IS SO SURREAL AND ALL OF IT EVENTUALLY WILL DAMAGE THE OF IT EVENTUALLY WILL DAMAGE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN NEXT YEAR’S REPUBLICAN PARTY IN NEXT YEAR’S ELECTION. ELECTION. BUT MITT ROMNEY SAID, WELL, IF BUT MITT ROMNEY SAID, WELL, IF DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY DID SPEAK DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY DID SPEAK TO A FOREIGN POWER TO HAVE THEM TO A FOREIGN POWER TO HAVE THEM DIG UP DIRT, THAT WOULD BE VERY DIG UP DIRT, THAT WOULD BE VERY TROUBLING. TROUBLING. “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” REPORTED EVEN BEFORE THAT TWEET REPORTED EVEN BEFORE THAT TWEET THAT IT HAPPENED EIGHT TIMES. THAT IT HAPPENED EIGHT TIMES. AND DONALD TRUMP ADMITTED THAT AND DONALD TRUMP ADMITTED THAT HE DID IT. HE DID IT. AND YET THEY DECIDE TO LIVE IN AND YET THEY DECIDE TO LIVE IN THIS NEVER NEVER LAND. THIS NEVER NEVER LAND.>>THAT’S A GREAT WAY TO PUT IT>>THAT’S A GREAT WAY TO PUT IT IS NEVER NEVER LAND. IS NEVER NEVER LAND. AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORY THERE’S AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORY THERE’S NO ONCE UPON A TIME, THERE’S NOT NO ONCE UPON A TIME, THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE A HAPPILY EVER GOING TO BE A HAPPILY EVER AFTER. AFTER. BUT THERE CAN BE ACTUAL MOMENTS BUT THERE CAN BE ACTUAL MOMENTS WHERE WE FACE FACTS. WHERE WE FACE FACTS. ELEANOR ROOSEVELT SAID THAT’S ELEANOR ROOSEVELT SAID THAT’S THE TEST OF A GREAT GOVERNMENT, THE TEST OF A GREAT GOVERNMENT, A GREAT SOCIETY IS CAN YOU, IN A GREAT SOCIETY IS CAN YOU, IN FACT, FACE FACTS HOWEVER FACT, FACE FACTS HOWEVER UNCOMFORTABLE THEY ARE. UNCOMFORTABLE THEY ARE. AND WHAT I THINK IS THE GREAT AND WHAT I THINK IS THE GREAT STORY OF OUR TIME, HONESTLY, IS STORY OF OUR TIME, HONESTLY, IS THE EXTENT TO WHICH 40%, 45% OF THE EXTENT TO WHICH 40%, 45% OF THE COUNTRY, MANY OF THEM THE COUNTRY, MANY OF THEM REPUBLICANS, HAVE SUSPENDED REPUBLICANS, HAVE SUSPENDED THEIR CRITICAL CAPACITIES, HAVE THEIR CRITICAL CAPACITIES, HAVE SUSPENDED THEIR ESSENTIAL DARE I SUSPENDED THEIR ESSENTIAL DARE I SAY PATRIOTIC INSTINCTS TO SAY PATRIOTIC INSTINCTS TO FOLLOW THIS PARTICULAR LEADER FOLLOW THIS PARTICULAR LEADER BECAUSE OF THE WILL TO POWER. BECAUSE OF THE WILL TO POWER. SO WE’RE TALKING YOU ABOUT THE SO WE’RE TALKING YOU ABOUT THE PARTY OF EISENHOWER, REAGAN, PARTY OF EISENHOWER, REAGAN, BUSH ARE COMFORTABLE WITH A BUSH ARE COMFORTABLE WITH A PRESIDENT WHO CONSPIRES, PRESIDENT WHO CONSPIRES, WHOEVER — KACOLLUDES, WHATEVER WHOEVER — KACOLLUDES, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE. WORD YOU WANT TO USE.>>HE TOLD GEORGE STEP NO MUSS U>>HE TOLD GEORGE STEP NO MUSS U LOUS LOUS STEPHANOPOULOS HE WOULD DO THIS. STEPHANOPOULOS HE WOULD DO THIS.>>NO REPUBLICAN COMPLAINED WHEN>>NO REPUBLICAN COMPLAINED WHEN HE TOLD GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS HE TOLD GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS THAT HE WOULD WORK, THAT HE THAT HE WOULD WORK, THAT HE WOULD COLLUDE WITH FOREIGN WOULD COLLUDE WITH FOREIGN POWERS TO TRY TO GET DIRT ON HIS POWERS TO TRY TO GET DIRT ON HIS RIVAL. RIVAL. HERE, ANOTHER GOOD WORD FOR YOU, HERE, ANOTHER GOOD WORD FOR YOU, EXTORT. EXTORT.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE>>IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE REPORTS THAT HE ACTUALLY WAS REPORTS THAT HE ACTUALLY WAS EXTORTING THE DEMOCRATICALLY EXTORTING THE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE WHO ELECTED PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE WHO HAD ALREADY SEEN HIS COUNTRY HAD ALREADY SEEN HIS COUNTRY INVADED BY VLADIMIR PUTIN AND INVADED BY VLADIMIR PUTIN AND THERE ARE REPORTS THAT HE THERE ARE REPORTS THAT HE EXTOWARD THEEDEX EXTOWARD THEEDEX EXTORTED HIM SAYING HE WAS NOT EXTORTED HIM SAYING HE WAS NOT GOING TO GET MILITARY WEAPONS GOING TO GET MILITARY WEAPONS UNLESS, UNLESS HE DUG UP DIRT, UNLESS, UNLESS HE DUG UP DIRT, WORKED, COOPERATED WITH HIS WORKED, COOPERATED WITH HIS PERSONAL LAWYER TO DIG UP DIRT PERSONAL LAWYER TO DIG UP DIRT ON HIS DOMESTIC POLITICAL RIVAL. ON HIS DOMESTIC POLITICAL RIVAL.>>ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S>>ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S HAPPENED HERE, I’VE BEEN HAPPENED HERE, I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS ALL WEEKEND, THINKING ABOUT THIS ALL WEEKEND, IS THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REALLY IS THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REALLY INTERESTINGENT FLIS GEORGE H. INTERESTINGENT FLIS GEORGE H. INTERESTINGLY ENTRIES IN GEORGE INTERESTINGLY ENTRIES IN GEORGE H.W. BUSH’S DIARIES. H.W. BUSH’S DIARIES. IN THE ’60s HE’S LOOKING AT IN THE ’60s HE’S LOOKING AT THESE FOLKS AND HE SAYS THEIR THESE FOLKS AND HE SAYS THEIR EYES AREN’T FOCUSED. EYES AREN’T FOCUSED. THEY’RE LIVING ACCORDING TO A THEY’RE LIVING ACCORDING TO A NARRATIVE IN THEIR HEADS THAT NARRATIVE IN THEIR HEADS THAT DOES NOT ACTUALLY TRACK WITH DOES NOT ACTUALLY TRACK WITH REALITY. REALITY. AND HE SAW A LITTLE BIT LATER AND HE SAW A LITTLE BIT LATER SOME IN THE ’80s. SOME IN THE ’80s. THINK HE’S GONE FROM BEING A THINK HE’S GONE FROM BEING A FRINGE, THE BERG SOCIETY, WHICH FRINGE, THE BERG SOCIETY, WHICH IS WHAT RICHARD HOFSTETTER WAS IS WHAT RICHARD HOFSTETTER WAS WRITING ABOUT WHEN HE DEFINED WRITING ABOUT WHEN HE DEFINED THE PARANOID STYLE IN AMERICAN THE PARANOID STYLE IN AMERICAN POLITICS, THAT WAS THE OCCASION POLITICS, THAT WAS THE OCCASION FOR THAT ESSAY, BUT THE PARANOID FOR THAT ESSAY, BUT THE PARANOID STYLE HAS GONE MAINSTREAM. STYLE HAS GONE MAINSTREAM. AND I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT AND I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT QUESTIONS OF THE ERA IS GOING TO QUESTIONS OF THE ERA IS GOING TO BE WHO WANTS TO BE MARGARET BE WHO WANTS TO BE MARGARET CHASE SMITH? CHASE SMITH? WHO WANTS TO BE JOSEPH WELCH WHO WANTS TO BE JOSEPH WELCH SHALL, THE LAWYER WHO SAID TO SHALL, THE LAWYER WHO SAID TO McARCHTHY FINALLY HAVE YOU NO McARCHTHY FINALLY HAVE YOU NO DECENCY? DECENCY? AND I PROMISE YOU, THERE’S A AND I PROMISE YOU, THERE’S A HISTORICAL LEGACY, THERE’S A HISTORICAL LEGACY, THERE’S A HISTORICAL HALO READY TO BE HISTORICAL HALO READY TO BE GRABBED IF PEOPLE WILL STAND UP GRABBED IF PEOPLE WILL STAND UP AND SAY, NO MORE. AND SAY, NO MORE.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. YOU KNOW, MIKA, THERE IS, AS YOU KNOW, MIKA, THERE IS, AS JOHN SAID, THERE IS A SUSPENSION JOHN SAID, THERE IS A SUSPENSION OF BELIEF. OF BELIEF. AND WE’VE SEEN IT EVEN WITH SOME AND WE’VE SEEN IT EVEN WITH SOME OF OUR FRIENDS WHO WILL TALK OF OUR FRIENDS WHO WILL TALK ABOUT HOW MANY MILES OF THE WALL ABOUT HOW MANY MILES OF THE WALL DONALD TRUMP HAS BUILT WHEN DONALD TRUMP HAS BUILT WHEN DONALD TRUMP’S OWN DONALD TRUMP’S OWN ADMINISTRATION, WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION, WHEN THE STATISTICS IN DONALD TRUMP’S OWN STATISTICS IN DONALD TRUMP’S OWN ADMINISTRATION SHOW THAT ZERO ADMINISTRATION SHOW THAT ZERO MILES OF NEW WALL HAVE BEEN MILES OF NEW WALL HAVE BEEN BUILT. BUILT. THAT YOU CAN’T TELL THEM BECAUSE THAT YOU CAN’T TELL THEM BECAUSE THERE’S A SUSPENSION OF BELIEF. THERE’S A SUSPENSION OF BELIEF. BECAUSE IN SPEECHES DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE IN SPEECHES DONALD TRUMP SAYS OH, WE BUILD THE WALL SO SAYS OH, WE BUILD THE WALL SO QUICKLY. QUICKLY. AND HERE YOU HAVE A SUSPENSION AND HERE YOU HAVE A SUSPENSION OF BELIEF THAT SOMEHOW IT’S OKAY OF BELIEF THAT SOMEHOW IT’S OKAY THAT EIGHT TIMES THE PRESIDENT THAT EIGHT TIMES THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PRESSURED A OF THE UNITED STATES PRESSURED A FOREIGN LEADER TO DIG UP DIRT ON FOREIGN LEADER TO DIG UP DIRT ON HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT, THE HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT, THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES.>>I THINK IT’S DIFFERENT THIS>>I THINK IT’S DIFFERENT THIS TIME AND HERE’S WHY. TIME AND HERE’S WHY. FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU SAY, OH, TO FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU SAY, OH, TO A TRUMP SUPPORTER, REPUBLICAN A TRUMP SUPPORTER, REPUBLICAN WHO’S SERVING, PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO’S SERVING, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS HE TOLD GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS HE WOULD WORK A FOREIGN LEADER TO WOULD WORK A FOREIGN LEADER TO DIG UP DIRT ON A POLITICAL DIG UP DIRT ON A POLITICAL ENEMY, THAT PERSON WOULD SAY, ENEMY, THAT PERSON WOULD SAY, OH, HE DOESN’T MEAN IT, HE’S OH, HE DOESN’T MEAN IT, HE’S JUST SAID THAT. JUST SAID THAT. HE DOESN’T MEAN IT. HE DOESN’T MEAN IT. WELL GUESS WHAT? WELL GUESS WHAT? IT APPEARS THAT HE DOES MEAN IT. IT APPEARS THAT HE DOES MEAN IT. BUT WHEN THE INFORMATION COMES BUT WHEN THE INFORMATION COMES OUT, I DON’T KNOW IF THE OUT, I DON’T KNOW IF THE WHISTLEBLOWER IS GOING TO HAVE WHISTLEBLOWER IS GOING TO HAVE TO STEP OUT ON HIS OR HER OWN, TO STEP OUT ON HIS OR HER OWN, RIGHT NOW THIS INFORMATION IS RIGHT NOW THIS INFORMATION IS BEING COVERED UP. BEING COVERED UP. AT SOME POINT IF AND WHEN THE AT SOME POINT IF AND WHEN THE INFORMATION COMES OUT, I THINK INFORMATION COMES OUT, I THINK REPUBLICANS WILL BE IN A VERY REPUBLICANS WILL BE IN A VERY DIFFERENT POSITION. DIFFERENT POSITION. THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAY THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAY WELL, HE DOESN’T MEAN IT. WELL, HE DOESN’T MEAN IT. WHICH IS WHAT THEY USUALLY SAY WHICH IS WHAT THEY USUALLY SAY TO PROTECT HIM. TO PROTECT HIM. UP NEXT, WE’RE GOING TO — UP NEXT, WE’RE GOING TO — ADRIENNE ELROD, I WANT TO ASK ADRIENNE ELROD, I WANT TO ASK YOU. YOU. WHAT IS THE RISK AND THE GAIN WHAT IS THE RISK AND THE GAIN FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN? FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN?>>WELL, I GUESS TO AN EXTENT,>>WELL, I GUESS TO AN EXTENT, MIKA, ANY TIME HUNTER BIDEN’S MIKA, ANY TIME HUNTER BIDEN’S PAST DEALINGS IN UKRAINE ARE PAST DEALINGS IN UKRAINE ARE MAKING THE NEWS BECAUSE OF THE MAKING THE NEWS BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION, THAT’S NOT A GREAT — SITUATION, THAT’S NOT A GREAT — THAT’S NOT A GREAT PLACE FOR THE THAT’S NOT A GREAT PLACE FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN TO BE EVEN THOUGH BIDEN CAMPAIGN TO BE EVEN THOUGH OBVIOUSLY HUNTER BIDEN DID OBVIOUSLY HUNTER BIDEN DID NOTHING WRONG, THAT’S BEEN NOTHING WRONG, THAT’S BEEN INVESTIGATED, THAT’S BEEN MADE INVESTIGATED, THAT’S BEEN MADE CLEAR THAT HE DID NOTHING WRONG. CLEAR THAT HE DID NOTHING WRONG. BUT I THINK THE GAINS ARE FAR BUT I THINK THE GAINS ARE FAR OUTWEIGHING THE CONS HERE. OUTWEIGHING THE CONS HERE. JOE BIDEN CAN GO OUT THERE AND JOE BIDEN CAN GO OUT THERE AND SAY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED SAY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS TRYING TO PRESSURE AN STATES IS TRYING TO PRESSURE AN ALLY TO GET INFORMATION TO GET ALLY TO GET INFORMATION TO GET OPPOSITION RESEARCH TO GET DIRT OPPOSITION RESEARCH TO GET DIRT ON ME AND MY FAMILY. ON ME AND MY FAMILY. THAT’S SOMETHING HE CAN TAKE OUT THAT’S SOMETHING HE CAN TAKE OUT THERE TO VOTERS AND REALLY, YOU THERE TO VOTERS AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT CLEAR HOW KNOW, MAKE IT CLEAR HOW DESTAINFUL THIS IS AND WHAT A DESTAINFUL THIS IS AND WHAT A GROSS AND ABUSE OF POWER THIS GROSS AND ABUSE OF POWER THIS IS. IS. I THINK THE PROS IN THE I THINK THE PROS IN THE SITUATION FAR OUTWAY THE CONS. SITUATION FAR OUTWAY THE CONS.>>YOU TALK ABOUT AMERICAN>>YOU TALK ABOUT AMERICAN FADING POLITICS. FADING POLITICS.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>YOU TALK ABOUT AN INSIDE>>YOU TALK ABOUT AN INSIDE GAME, RIGGING THE PROCESS. GAME, RIGGING THE PROCESS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DONALD AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DONALD TRUMP IS RIG THE PROCESS ON THE TRUMP IS RIG THE PROCESS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE TO MAKE SURE REPUBLICAN SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY STATES AS POSSIBLE THAT AS MANY STATES AS POSSIBLE CANCEL DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS FOR CANCEL DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS FOR THE PRIMARY. THE PRIMARY. HE MEAN, HE’S LEARNED FROM HE MEAN, HE’S LEARNED FROM VLADIMIR PUTIN THE WAY YOU GET VLADIMIR PUTIN THE WAY YOU GET 100% OF THE VOTE IS YOU JUST 100% OF THE VOTE IS YOU JUST CANCEL THE ELECTIONS. CANCEL THE ELECTIONS. AND THAT’S WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS AND THAT’S WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS GETTING REPUBLICAN OPERATIVES TO GETTING REPUBLICAN OPERATIVES TO DO ACROSS THE COUNTRY. DO ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO HE’S RIGGING THE ELECTION SO HE’S RIGGING THE ELECTION THAT WAY. THAT WAY. HE’S USING HIS POWER NOW TO TRY HE’S USING HIS POWER NOW TO TRY TO RIG THE ELECTION SO A FOREIGN TO RIG THE ELECTION SO A FOREIGN POWER IS PRESSURED SO ACTUALLY POWER IS PRESSURED SO ACTUALLY TRY TO DIG UP DIRT ON JOE BIDEN TRY TO DIG UP DIRT ON JOE BIDEN AND HIS FAMILY. AND HIS FAMILY. AND TO USE THE WORD THAT RUDY AND TO USE THE WORD THAT RUDY GIULIANI USED, AND ACTIONS THAT GIULIANI USED, AND ACTIONS THAT MOST VOTERS WOULD CONSIDER TO BE MOST VOTERS WOULD CONSIDER TO BE VERY SLIMY, ESPECIALLY SINCE VERY SLIMY, ESPECIALLY SINCE EVERY INVESTIGATION HAS SHOWN EVERY INVESTIGATION HAS SHOWN THAT JOE BIDEN NOT ONLY ACTED THAT JOE BIDEN NOT ONLY ACTED PROPERLY, BUT DID WHAT PROPERLY, BUT DID WHAT DEMOCRACIES ACROSS THE WEST WERE DEMOCRACIES ACROSS THE WEST WERE ASKING HIM TO DO. ASKING HIM TO DO. AND THAT IS, CLEAN UP UKRAINE BY AND THAT IS, CLEAN UP UKRAINE BY GETTING RID OF A CORRUPTION GETTING RID OF A CORRUPTION INVESTIGATOR. INVESTIGATOR.>>AND POLITICALLY THIS IS>>AND POLITICALLY THIS IS LOSING UGLY FOR THE TRUMP LOSING UGLY FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. EVERYBODY WHO KNOWS JOE BIDEN EVERYBODY WHO KNOWS JOE BIDEN AND SUPPORTS JOE BIDEN WILL DIG AND SUPPORTS JOE BIDEN WILL DIG IN DEEPER. IN DEEPER. THEY WILL BE DEEPLY, DEEPLY, THEY WILL BE DEEPLY, DEEPLY, DEEPLY CONCERNED AND UPSET ABOUT DEEPLY CONCERNED AND UPSET ABOUT WHAT TRUMP IS DOING TO THE BIDEN WHAT TRUMP IS DOING TO THE BIDEN FAMILY. FAMILY. YOU HAVE JOE BIDEN WHO LOST HIS YOU HAVE JOE BIDEN WHO LOST HIS DAUGHTER AND WIFE IN A CAR DAUGHTER AND WIFE IN A CAR ACCIDENT.

100 thoughts on “A ‘Degree Of Worry’ Around Trump Amid Ukraine Call | Morning Joe | MSNBC

  • Mnunchin is the guy you're inclined to feel sorry for, but then, when he opens his mouth, you get the overwhelming urge to smash his grotesque lying face!

  • Trump IS SUPPOSED to INVESTIGATE Corruption!!!
    The FBI is Corrupt WE KNOW THIS. You Corrupt propaganda Cooperations are next!

  • Rudy, former mayor of NY, YES, NYC said before the 2016 election that Obama was a horrible president and that he was weak. Then he said that prior to Obama there had never been any attacks on US soil. Yes! He who did nothing to stop the attacks in 2001, before Obama was president, but made millions and millions in speeches on that tragedy, actually said there were never any attacks prior to Obama. That says it all about this dracula. I guess Pearl Harbor was also Obama's fault.

  • I came here to listen to the ridiculousness of these two lol. The same idiots that pushed the Russian Delusion, Kavanaugh fake accusations, etc. How are these two still on tv? Lmaooo It’s like an SNL skit…

  • Joe Scarborough whining about his precious Republican party again. GOP RIP. Republicans have NO moral compass and are Anti-American cowards! The only good Republican is a dead Republican. Shoot yourself Joe Scarborough.

  • Dont call it a suspension of belief, this isnt about religion or faith or the supernatural. This is a suspension of reality.

  • Somehow these fools think the facts don,t matter, the fact is they are in for a eye opener…..soon very soon the party is just getting started .once trump goes down oversite will recomend the new justice dept. to get busy………?

  • the republicans better realise if they don't control trump now they will be licking his boots (and Ivanka's and Don jnr's boots) forever. Robert Mugabe died last week. Don't let him be reincarnated in the US.

  • The sound technician on this program needs to mute his mic. The sounds of sniffling, sighing and heavy breathing are an annoying distraction, especially when I am listening with my earphones. At first I thought it was Jon Meacham, then I thought it was Joe or Mika. Then when they were all on the screen together and someone sniffled I realized it was coming from off screen. Same thing happens on the Rachel Maddow Show. Please someone do something!

  • Has anyone read the whistleblower complaint? Pure hype. The author repeatedly says "I don't know". What type of statement is this? This is a pure charade. Democrats hid behind national security to create hype! The President called them on it. The DNI saw no "basis in fact" for this inuendo. Absolutely ridiculous!

  • Trump asks a crime to be looked at and the democrats turned the tables and called for impeachment. MSNBC cannot be trusted for the truth. Just a mouthpiece for the democrats.

  • regardless of how you see these current charges, you'd think that someone who just underwent a two year investigation into possible collusion with a foreign government to impact a US election would have the wearwithall to stay as far away as possible from anything close to the same. He literally couldnt wait 24 hrs from the end of Mueller's testimony before he tried the same thing with Russia's neighbor! insaine!

  • Is there a statute of how long congress can wait before acting on the Muller report? Do HAVE to do something immediately after or can they wait as long as they want? My question is: can't they just mix the report and the call into one single impeachment?

  • If Trump is not impeached I will support a revolt against our government. This can't become the new normal. If the people accept this America is lost.

  • Birds if the same feathers stick together . Trump and his crew of friends are all in the same pot. Trump needs to get out or be forced out. No exception presidents are not above the legal and moral laws of this American land. He is the worst President in the USA history. Who have gone beyond the legal limits of the laws for mankind. And is still in office.

  • WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE WATCHING AND HAVE A FULL CONCIOUSNESS OF THE CORRUPTION THATS GOING ON.. IF YOU THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE OK WITH REPUBLICANS BEING ON THE SIDE OF CORRUPTION I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT ELECTION RESULTS OF 2018 !!!!!!!!

  • Hunter Biden being in a slimy deal doesn't mean Trump isn't slimy. How stupid are these people who are supposed to be lawyers? My god.

  • Im still trying to deal with Trump saying he's withholding funds bc they are corrupt. The swamp in this WH has been draining since he came into office.

  • Lol, Joe, don't sit under a glad table if you're going to pat Mika under it! We can see through the glass you know. 😂 Was that like, "honey, stop talking about those fault tragedies"?

  • I Like the male host use "their" president, it makes me think that he might not be a US citizen. pretty cool, right? when you lie, the niche will sell you out.

  • I compare all of this mess with 1977 cartoon the Hobbit. If any of you have seen it. The greed not caring for the people and the blind faith of most people and the once great allies now enemies due to one power trying to Usurp all. Our modern government. Displayed on a 1977 year old cartoon. By J. R. R Tolkien

  • Watching from India – the land of salesman and traders in the garb of journalists – this reporting is music to my ears. Keep it up.

  • Remember after 9/11, when Rudy was "America's Mayor"? Now all I can think of are Marlon Brando's lines at the end of "On The Waterfront":

    Rudy, you coulda had class.
    You coulda been somebody.
    Instead of a bum.
    Which is what you are…

  • No matter where you stand on these issues, the important thing is that we're all reminded of Slimer from the Ghostbusters movie whenever we see Steve Mnuchin's giant, weird face.

  • I so enjoy seeing Steven Mnuchin try so hard to justify his fealty to Trump. Trump will likely skate by on this whole impeachment issue and might even win reelection but, like his predecessors, Mnuchin will most likely end up in prison. Trump will turn on him in the blink of an eye, if it serves Trump. That is a simple fact.

  • If Trump truly believes he has done nothing wrong then he is insane or incompetent and cannot be our President. I think it's quite possible he doesn't think he's done anything wrong because he has no conscience or morals.

  • Trump has ruined our global relations with many countries. They will never trust us now and we look weak and corrupt to them. Look what that poor new Ukraine pres. now has to go through in his country. His opposition party will spin this whole story around on him and blame him for corruption when the new pres ran his campaign on anti- corruption. Trump has caused so many deep serious problems with all his convoluted corrupt behavior which has made a complete mess in our govt. and sent us way backwards on our road to progress.

  • The whole weight of this sleezy administration is fixated on the presumption that Biden would be the Democrat that wins the primary. There were other ways of looking into Biden's affairs without using the office of the President to do so. Trump is now damaged goods for the GOP and will not carry the office next election.

  • All I can picture while Mnuchin speaks is Steven Colbert imitating Mnuchin 😂 What a boob! Let’s IMPEACH 💩trump and then investigate trump and his heirs and their shady dealings WHILE trump is in office! (Emoluments Clause) They’re all corrupt stinking Crooks!!! The rotten apples don’t fall far from the diseased tree!

  • ts sad. That was the mayor of New York during 9/11. He could of gone down in history as a hero, now he will be remembered as a zero.

  • Trump and his slimy crew.
    Liar's all of the they have committed treason.
    Trying to get another government involved in our elections is treason

  • Degree of worry…. Yeah!
    Trump could strangle a baby the 36% who support him would make excuses for his actions.
    Face it, George W coralled the evangelicals and Trump has managed to get every hatemonger in America behind him.
    The only way they'll go against him is if he stops being morally repugnant and that ain't gonna happen.

  • !
    Black'white, Catholic/Jewish, Dem/Rebub………, we should want Our President to be a good, honest, respectable, human being(as well as a good leader). This is not is freakin popularity contest!!!! We all need to use our VOTE TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY!

  • Nothing's unfair to you, you loser! What a toady, tool pawn. How can you live with yourself? When the pixie dust gets out of your eyes…or do you not have any sense residing in your being? You and Trump and your grade school nicknames.

  • Anyone who would want to work for and speak on his behalf is a complete narcissistic sociopath, and deserves everything they get by that association.

  • Trump is worse than the Clintons! He would lie,cheat. and steal!He's a crook! He's probablyMoney laundering, And no one is taking him serious yet!Hehas lived his whole life riping people off! Even his father if you read, when he had alshiemer!'He doesn't care about anyone!

  • It’s not only important but IMPERATIVE to destroy that Republican/trump Party in 2020. Now we know that they are ALL Criminals in one way or another and don’t care a bit about Americans People’s and the USA on a whole. In 2020 let’s kick all Republicans OUT OF OFFICE once and for all.

  • The new Trilogy of “Dumb and Dumber” is looking very well folks.
    Watch the preview on any channel. Starring Donny and Rudy.

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