Bad Faith At Ground Zero


It seems the Ground Zero mosque project has succeeded in dividing America like a shovel going through a pumpkin. Even the president has an opinion – well, kind of an opinion. And now the story has gone worldwide. Everybody is waiting to see what happens. We all know that if Islam can get away with a stunt like this in America it can get away with anything. People keep framing this as a religious freedom issue, but there’s a difference between practising your religion, which everyone has the right to do, and rubbing your religion in people’s faces as a triumphalist political statement, which is what’s happening here. I’d be interested to know just how bad an insult has to be before it’s no longer protected by the First Amendment. After all, the Second Amendment gives Americans the right to bear arms, but in practice you need a permit to walk about packing hardware, and not everybody can get one, despite the Second Amendment. Also, I can’t help wondering if Mayor Bloomberg’s unwavering support for this project is less about his commitment to religious freedom and more about his business interests in Dubai, where his company is attempting to establish itself as a major supplier of sharia financial services in the Middle East. Maybe somebody should ask him. Liberal commentators keep telling us this is not really a mosque at all – it’s just a community centre and a prayer room, and it’s not even at Ground Zero. A mosque is both a community centre and a prayer room, and the mosque part of this building will occupy the top two floors which means it will overlook the scene of conquest, which is why the site was chosen. When the governor of New York offered to help them find an alternative site they wouldn’t even discuss it. Moving it somewhere else would negate the very purpose of building it, which is to rub 9/11 in America’s face. If they can’t build it there, there’s no point in building it anywhere else. Nobody knows where the money is coming from, and nobody wants to say. The developer was waiting tables five years ago, and now he’s spending millions in cash on a building in downtown Manhattan. He must have had some very generous tippers. As for the supposedly moderate imam behind it, he supports sharia, he supports the Iranian theocracy, he won’t condemn terrorism, not even the exploitation of children as suicide bombers, and he blames America for 9/11. And now we hear he’s even taking credit for Obama’s speech in Cairo – you remember, where he sucked up to the Muslim world and called it statesmanship. If that’s true, that’s a hell of a lot of influence to have. I wonder if he had anything to do with the president’s recent Ramadan speech where he praised Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings. Yes, President Obama actually said those words, and with a straight face. No wonder so many Americans think he’s a Muslim. That’s the kind of thing only a Muslim could say, or a European politician. We all know how badly the president wants to be popular in the Muslim world, so I guess he felt he had to say something nice because his audience was full of Islamic activists who might otherwise have accused him of Islamophobia and racism and forced him to undergo cultural awareness and sensitivity training. And how embarrassing would that be for the first black president? But whoever provided him with that PC garbage ought to be fired on the spot, because it makes Obama sound as if he has no respect for the intelligence of the American people, which is as good as saying he wants to be a one term president. Everybody knows that Islam has done absolutely nothing for justice, progress, tolerance, or the dignity of human beings. Is he kidding? The worst thing you could do is expose any of those things to the influence of Islam, and to claim otherwise is simply a barefaced lie. Doesn’t he realise that nobody is buying this crap any more? He must have seen the opinion polls. He must know that there are millions of people all over the free world who simply don’t trust this religion any more because time and again they’ve seen its activists exploiting our freedoms to act in bad faith, exactly as they’re doing at Ground Zero. They’ve seen that when it comes to Islam tolerance and respect only ever go one way. A religion of peace? No. What people see, and what they’ve seen for twenty years since the Rushdie affair is a religion of intolerance, of aggression, of phoney manufactured grievances and hysterical bullying, unreasonable and manipulative special pleading and privilege-seeking, gross misogyny, homophobia, anti-Semitism and violence. Anyone who speaks out against this religion can expect to be threatened with physical violence. Everything about it is confrontational. That’s why it’s unwelcome in the West, because it has made itself unwelcome. And that’s what President Obama should have told those Islamic activists if he wants to call himself any kind of leader of the free world. And he should have also told them that this mosque is making their religion even more unwelcome, so building it has got to be just about the stupidest thing that any Muslim could want to do, unless they were acting in bad faith, and in this case they most certainly are. But that’s no reason for idiots to go around abusing and assaulting people because they happen to be Muslim, as has happened a few times recently, because this issue is causing consternation among Muslims as well, some of whom, to their credit, have actually spoken out against it, and condemned it as unnecessarily provocative. And predictably, one woman who did so at a meeting in New York was afterwards threatened over the phone. Classy. Still, if nothing else good comes out of this mess, at least it’s given PC liberals the chance to stand up for something for a change, which must be quite a bracing experience for some of them. And I’m sure they’re all delighted to know that it looks as if this thing will go ahead, because obviously nothing can be done legally to stop it, and the people behind it clearly don’t have the intelligence or the good grace to withdraw the plans, even though they know as well as everyone else that if the positions were reversed, and if this level of calculated insult was being directed at Islam, there is no way on earth that this project would be allowed to proceed, Constitution or no Constitution. Peace, and you know it’s true.

100 thoughts on “Bad Faith At Ground Zero

  • Believe it, or not – Christianity has enriched your life because it's embedded in the culture and has too many benefits to enumerate here.
    People repelled Islam in the name of Christianity – else u'd be living under Sharia.
    £millions are given to support charities not paid for by government, by christians. C of E schools, hospices etc.
    Christians don't throw heathens to the lions, do they?
    If you live in persuit of happiness, it'll prove hard work and an iffy outcome.

  • Apparently this actually happened, because the men with the guns did not want to reveal their faith to their enemy planted in their midst. I don't know whether the story is on the web – probably, most things are.
    In this case, the christians did NOT leave and expected the end – then the gunmen revealed they wished to worship with them.

  • That's where we differ. The EVIDENCE is all around, of order and brilliance and beauty and balance and life.
    The EVIDENCE I have SEEN is that without intelligence chaos reigns supreme.
    Many yobs want to see anarchy – we've already seen the evidence – riots and burning buildings. It's all there just waiting to take off.
    No morals, no one to answer to, why not? Everyone for themselves …….
    Then no-one wins.
    Empty shelves in the supermarkets
    No water in the taps.
    There is a moral reason.

  • I could say all sorts of things you don't want to hear – I can only say what I believe.
    Yes, technology has enriched us – and that through the diligent work of Christians like Faraday and Newton, Einstein, Boyle – see the huge list on Wiki.
    They were believers in the same God – Creator of all things.

    Good Night
    Babu

  • We LIVE for Christ – but if we are called on to die, so be it. We enjoy living as christians …. we don't want to die – and it wouldn't achieve much for Christ, or for ourselves if we strapped on explosives and blew up subways and busses, now, would it? We would probably look forward to hellfire and not 24 virgins if we thought that was God's way.
    God taught us to love one another and help those who are in the gutter – hence Street pastors helping the drunks chucked out of the pubs & clubs.

  • The rioters aren't so intelligent as you Babu.
    Their morality is, "Take what you can get, get what you can – see the thugs pinching stuff from the pockets of people who are wounded and dying." If no one sees you, if no penalty, why not?
    Fortunately we have a thing blue line.
    We're only civilised so long as the majority consent – if we all thought like the rioters, not even the army with machine guns could keep order.
    Christians believe there is a penalty for sin. so we live accordingly.

  • Sounds reasonable – but watch out, the police imprison the victim of the crime if you shoot him in the back (which proves no danger at that moment never mind if you suspect he is wrapped in explosives!).
    Come to the Saviour in the days of your youth (age hardens you – I could not, for example, imagine changing Pat Condell's atheism. He has made up his mind regardless of proof, or facts, or any convincing argument – he cannot and will not change). Remember the Lord in the days of your youth.

  • Stiff penalties in Japan – 9 people executed last year.
    Australia? Huge country/continent overlaid on the map stretching from Scotland to Egypt! Not many people there 23 million – less than a third of UK. Many Aus are Christians. There are churches in all the populated areas.
    African officials are tribal, more corrupt so the country is less regulated/policed. There is more poverty, superstition and respect for the local witch doctor.
    I don't know the answer, but there are some facts.

  • Well, unfortunately the churches ain't burstin' at the seams anywhere!
    Before Jesus left this earth bodily, He asked, "Will I find faith, when I come?"

    It's a case of meaning it when you sing "Though none go with me, I still will follow."

  • Neither Pat nor I live in that age. We must study long past history to find any achivement in Islam. The golden Islamic age, when the infidels all had to pay a tax to Islam for not being Muslim. Doesn't sound so golden to me.

  • Oh my, will you behead me for my opinion? Do you know that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis produced song for Janet Jackson? It applies here "What have you done for me lately?" That golden age was long ago. Now Islam is rot and decay, adding nothing to the world of science and throwing acid in the faces of those seeking Western education. You know the kind of education that allows us to put a rover on Mars while Islam sits in the dirt.

  • I am an American and although I didn't vote for that piece of shit obama, the American People re-elected that bastard~so more sucking up to Islam, obummer is no leader, he's the worst President in American history~I have only been ashamed to be an American twice in my life, when we first elected obummer, and then we re-elected that son of a whore`his skin color has nothing to do with it, he's half white, but he plays the Race Card well~he's not a leader, he parties, but if you question himracist

  • obummer sucks but every time someone questions his incompetence they are called a racist, nope he just ain't doing his job unfortunately America and the rest of the world are stuck with that son of a whore for 4 mr yrs, unemployment will continue to go up, because he just sucks, He's a "Leftist"~there "Communist" aspirations never work!

  • bullshit and FUCK YOU 'THE FOUNDING FATHER'S SET UP A JUDEO-CHRISTIAN NATION~GOD IS MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS, HE IS REFERED TO AS "THE CREATOR" ETC…I REALLY WISH LYING LIBERALS WOULD READ HISTORY INSTEAD OF MAKING UP~USA WAS NOT SET UP AS SECULIAR, DUMBASS, "THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION" JUST MEANS WE ARE FREE TO WORSHIP, THERE IS NO OFFICIAL RELIGION~THE GOV'T IS NOT ALLOWED TO DICTATE A RELIGION, IN EUROPE COUNTRIES HAD RELIGIONS~OUR FOUNDERS WANTED FREEDOM TO WORSHIP!

  • Islam will never eliminate the one concept that has brought it success, jihad. All of Islam’s success has been based upon political submission, dualism and violence. What the Kafirs want changed is the violence, pressure, arguing and politics. Demanding the Kafirs’ submission and using violence works for Islam. The violence, pressure, arguments and demands are not going to stop because they have worked for 1400 years and are working better today than any time in the past.

  • White countries r being blended out of existence by a flood of non-white 3rd world immigration & govt FORCED integration

    No white schools, clubs, neighborhoods, cities; anything "white" is viewed as suspicious

    Deadly trojan horses like "diversity" & "multiculturalism" in reality mean "there must be FEWER whites"

    Non-white countries r NEVER targeted by these policies; ONLY white countries r targeted

    Instead of bullets & bombs, it's an insidious genocide of white people via social engineering

  • Keep downthumbing anti-Condellites and this will be the second Overspilling Lightsabered Pattie video along with "Hello Saudia Arabia".

  • AND BTW I AM SO SICK AND FUCKIGNG TIREE OF YOU DUMBASS THETOECRATIC CONSERVATVIES MAKGAING UP LIES ABOUT LIBERAL ATEHSTIS AND AEMRICA!!! I AM GOING TO TYPE IN BLOCK CAPITALS BECAUSE THAT SOMEHOW MAKES ME SOUND MORE CREDIBELA ND INTELEGENT!!!!!

  • man your a really scared little man you fear a religion have you ever read the Islamic holy book. Not all Christians are saints, do you know how violent and oppressive the christian's were for years its only by mixing together many religions do we begin to see the world and find freedom. various branches of Christianity in the past were just as oppressive as Islam is today it takes time and a mixing of culture to change a religion into a free and just organism.

  • It's kind of sad. There are people that believe in Islam that arend bad… Too bad it seems so low religion has toxized all lands killed millions and raped more. Fuck god fuck all gods. What god would let a world go like this?

  • I'm sure the theocratic conservatvies are just as sick of libertinist liberals. Just call it equal opportunity sickness LOL. Just trying to be fair and balanced.

  • I think making people fight over it was precisely the point.Exactally what they wanted.Divide and conquer from within .

  • The only reason Obama got a second term is because his competition was the very embodyment of a rich asshole and the only person who would have given him any real competition, Gary Johnson, wasn't allowed to debate and was given the shaft by the media

  • (Part 3) Quran 78:31-35 for good person in Islam, there will be other things too gardens, grapes, Rivers, Carpets, Big trees which give shades and you will get the Glasses of whiskeys’ (description of Islamic paradise).
    Quran 78:31-33, Quran 44: 51-55, Quran 37: 40-48, (Mishkat al-Masabih 4:42:24; Sunan al- Tirmidhi 2536) Quran 55: 56-57, Quran 55: 70-77, (Sahih al-Bukhari 4:54: 476, Al-Tirmidhi 2562) Al-Tirmidhi 2562, 2687. Al Hadis, Volume 4 page 172, No.34. (9/11 was JIHAD order by Allah)

  • (Part 2) Attraction of Allah in Islam which gives Transparent Virgins Houries please read Al Bhukhari V: 4 Hadiths 3245, Sahih Al Bhukhari V: 4 Hadiths 3246, Sahih Al Bhukhari V: 4 Hadiths 3254 (2 houries)
    Miskawt shareef v:2 Hadith 3656 (72 houries)
    Quran 3:54 Allah as best cunning deceiver. “Allah has started his Satanic acts” Quran 52:20 & Foot note Allah created houries.

  • PlZ stop Muslims IMMIGRATION TO USA & NO MOSQUE @ ground ZERO. (Part 1) Every thing is possible in Islam if Allah advice you to but there is no Allah either because there is not any prove of Allah has exist follow the teaching of Muhammad, Muslims can marriage with 6 to 9 years old girl too as your prophets did your roll MODEL of ISLAM Mohammad was Pedophile its allowed in Islam but if you fail to get women in your entire life do JIHAD for Allah kill Jews, Christians & Non-Muslims read below.

  • THANKS FOR THE PEACH AND FOR THE VIDEO TOO.
    PLEASE PRAY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA I THINK HE IS GETTING DEVILS GUIDANCE AS MUHAMMAD GOT IN DREAMS AND MAD QURAN BY CHEATING FROM THE BIBLE TO BECOME LIKE REMEMBER PROPHETS DO NOT TEACH SEX IF ALLAH IS GOD. GOD DO NOT ALLOWED PROPHETS TO MARRY 6 OR 9 YEARS OLD GIRL AND DO SEX WITH WHOME HIS PROPHETS WISH TOO PLEASE STOP MUSLIMS IMMIGRATIONS IN CHRISTIONS COUNTRIES TO MAY WE GET PEACE AND GET RID OF BLOODY GAMES IN SHORT NO MORE 9/11. STAY BLESSED

  • if its a moderate centre then build it not for muslims and islam build it for the
    american people and leave all reliegion at  the entrance and go in a human being  in the united quest for global peace

  • Pat Condell is lying here. Whether we like it or not, Muslims in Spain did contribute a lot to European society: advances in medicine (especially surgery), advances in astronomy, windmills, mathematics (algebra and others), numbering system (1234 instead of I, II, III, IV), cameras and many other things.

  • In America we have some freedoms that are difficult for others to appreciate. It's not about freedom to do only the things that the majority approve of, but the freedom to do what is not approved by the majority (as long as it is legal). That is one of the differences between us and Islamic countries, where they can kill you for descent or for deconverting from Islam. The price of our freedom is making sure everyone has these freedoms. No personal offense meant, but it does not seem that you grasp that part. . . I'm not sure most Americans do.
         In 1770 the future president John Adams defended the British soldiers who went on trial for the Boston Massacre. The colonists were really 'steamed' about the incident and that Adams was willing to defend them. However, Adams was willing to defend the soldiers. Now this was before our Constitution was written. But it exemplifies the type of ideals that the founding fathers had about fairness, freedom, and rights. 

  • Right on Pat,I despise Islam they caused me to despise them.watching them abuse woman , watching them behead my fellow Americans is vile and evil.I am a woman and I will not be quiet about my contempt for Islam.

  • Ground Zero Mosque would have been an insult to the people that died.

    Its like building a statue of Adolf Hitler in the middle of Jerusalem.

  • HOW ABOUT WE BUILD A CHURCH NEAR MEKKA, SAME DISTANCE TO GROUND ZERO OF THE SATANIC MOSQUE, MAY BE THEN WE WOULD RECONSIDER… BUT FIRST LET US BULD THE CHUCH NEAR MEKKA……..WE'LL SEE HOW MUSLIMS REACTS TO SUCH PROJECT….

  • How is your wedding to your boy friend. After all that is your freedom and right  to get fucked in the ass legally.

  • I have a question;- is there any country were Islam is the majority, that is not war torn or living in extreme poverty ? 

    Please answer. 

  • Personally, i think they should have built the grandest mosque at ground zero.
    Then as an honorable gesture have the army corpse of engineers BLOW IT THE HELL UP.

  • I wanna build a christian cathedral a few hundred feet away from mecca, you know something like St pauls, only bigger, I am sure this will be fine. Just to, you know, promote harmony.

  • 2016..nothing has changed.. only worse.. more corruption and Obama still doing what he wants. Hillary wants to bring more to the US. listen to Pat.. this is 6 yrs ago.. wow did we forget it was like this or what??

  • We only need a permit for concealed carry. When you buy a gun, you're checked out but you don't need a permit. And believe me we sell a lot of guns, thank God.

  • It funny how much Trump backs Sharia law with money and actions.
    The biggest shareholder not named Murdoch of Fox news is a Saudi prince who support Sharia law.
    On the other hand that PC liberal Obama has bombed Libyia, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Iraq …

  • WOW! Almost a decade on, this is powerful stuff. Especially, as we see the EUROPEAN peoples waking up to what their useless, greedy, POLITICAL CLASSES have been doing to their ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS. ISLAM is as VILE as Pat Condell depicts it. If you don't believe that, then read the ISLAMIC source-texts: the unholy trinity of the Qur'an, the Sira and the Hadiths. These latter two form the SUNNA (and tell you all you need to know about the most perfect MUSLIM, Mohammed). Remember, Islam is not just the Qur'an. Remember Dr Bill Warner's equation: ISLAM = QUR'AN + MOHAMMED. All MUSLIMS who try to depict their ghastly belief-system as the 'religion of peace' are, either, LIARS (Taqiyya-Bunnies) or they do not know the horrors of their own 'religion' (which is quite possible!). Often, when they DO come to a realisation of the reality of what ISLAM actually is, they turn their backs on it. The only 'good' Muslims is an ex-Muslim.

  • I saw on you tube an ex colonel state the twin towers were blown up, he identified the puffs of smoke, as in an explosion. His comment, FBI.

  • Omg this is disgusting please tell me this is a bad joke it's a slap in the face to the victims and survivors disgrace.islam is a religion of hate let's get this clear mate. Peace Pat✌️

  • Bet the money for it being built came from New York citizens via taxes disguised as something else!!! Great as always Pat 👏🏼👏🏼🤓🌈✨🍄☮

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