Distinguished Scholars Series Public Lecture by Professor Joya Chatterji, Part-4 of 5



why do you interrupt a little bit if you have a question let's go to the question and then she'll try to answer that but another question I liked it when to do with a year because they've been published in this area so you're trying to motivate us to understand 1971 any undertaking don't throw understanding a bitch ebook now the NSF is here and we are we are we can see that you and we do this let me let me stop you there and let me say that you will have this conversation with her and the first thing so hold your thought and we will come back to you all right there are some others questions here please stop i am my name is a safe solid food brat i want to take the focus a little bit over to UK and migrant bangladesh is in UK it's an interesting trend that we saw that the generation which went during the 70's fiercely Bangladeshi nationalist but their kids that the next generation of really born have been more comfortable within their religious identity so more comfortable with their Islamic identity and which is also creating other issues both in bak Malaysia mainland how do you explain that what what is the reason behind that based on your it have experience and also the fact that you never need alright let's have those answered and that we have a few people here have been really waving frantically it can be wait for the next wave okay let her answer this you have the microphone in control so thanks very much I ask the quiz answer the question first about remittances from the person at the back yes of course we did ask the question about remittances that were sent and in general we found that the pattern replicate the pattern that I'm suggesting that to begin with perhaps families sent and gradually over time you know people get people got involved in dives in way the places where they were they had their own problems the plane since if we're talking about the Biharis who went to Karachi by God they had some problems there too you know so people become you know actually connections between relatives do with them it's not that these things are not biological these are not to be on these things these things have to be sustained and maintained and sometimes among the very poor these things are difficult to do also in circumstances where there is such a political hostility intention it can be quite difficult to send remittances between Bangladesh and Pakistan Obama India Pakistan and suchlike it puts people at risk so a lot of people stopped communicating with families for them for those sorts of reasons but we did ask those questions we probed we expected to find the positive answer we got the negative 1 i'll thank you sir for your encouragement I will certainly continue I've had many many emails over the years from people around the world many bono dishes around the world saying joy and now you've written Bengal divided spoils a partition now is the time for the book about 1971 so when are you going to do it it's a very very difficult book to write maybe I'm maybe I'm inching my way there maybe I'm maybe I'll take that anger and okay thank you for your encouragement and then the question about the migrants in Bonn UK politicians of the United Kingdom this project actually included up a UK dance boring element as well we did about 80 interviews in the UK as well so thanks for that question it enables me to bring it in ah the question I mean I think that's slightly schematic in saying that the first generation were very nationalistic in the second generation a very Islamic although there is perhaps it's more really the third generation that the young people who are now in their teens and 20s who we are really seeing perhaps embracing a different kind of politics which is potentially post national and is involved in what we can think of the kind of diasporic islam where they consider the differences between themselves and say ethiopian muslims and others less important than the national differences you know where we are so that where is that ends in there there's a very large literature and migration studies about the quest of the third generation where you know the first generation is still rooted in the politics of the homeland the second generation embraces if you like the politics of the new host country and then the third generation begins to seek a distinctive political boys it obviously has something also to do with the global moment in which they are living because it's not only happening among you keep on gum bubble issues it's a happening amongst communities all over the world they are embracing a different kind of global religious politics I just got jazz permission to go beyond seven thirty so there are issues that go a little bit more about another 15 minutes or so and we're open to that so gentlemen with the microphone Thank You professor chap see my name is site I have been teaching anthropology in Department of Anthropology January University and I just this year not really the last one I used to say my PG certificate from Lancaster on partition of his bingo so an aftermath like it's basically I'm financial policy and work working in the field of history so it's a combination between so my interest on your project was particularly the concept of immobility the way you have used it I was just thinking like I didn't see that often when we consider in binary terms we often may think that mobility is opposite side of immobility but at the same time if someone's family like most of the members of the family has departed I had managed to cross the border and this part this person here with a few others have to stop him his immobility and vulnerability caused by that immobility can only be perceived if you can feel the mobility of the others like with whom he or she was related so I just asked to consider everybody in this house and I just asked whether to you as well whether you consider mobility and immobility just as a opposite connotation or you just think is the both side of the same coin or is a same process and they are linked to each other and only then we can understand that mobility or ability is not an economic term it's much more than that it has social in human aspect that's what I understand thank you there's a gentleman back there was also at the center for a while my name is Teresa later I'm a student at university within a sphere of big stock I was thinking about that you have attempt about the special mobilization are spatially mobility or being stuck within the sphere of spatial immobility whether that is vertical or horizontal or within the class is generated classical but I am as thinking just as the key just to exchange the boundary of the mobilization because it could it be important also because if they're the temple of mobilization here can be the space for the mobilization of capital first the most important thing for the essence of the mobilization order you're talking about because the Capitals mobilization of capital itself mobilizes the steps fear of big mobilized because keeping like if you for example the mobilization of global policy is not being stuck because mobilization of global policies always here although the mobilization of human power or on relation of people is stopped so for encounter b-class analyzes of mobilization can there be a group of chat like the global supply chain of a garment industry who is very proud mobile app will be liable propensity propensity of this global econ experience so why can't there be a capitalization through the spatial mobilization of global supply chain of labor thank you is there anyone more please and then I think you think of wrapping up one last question here all right you you have the microphone your head thank you sir for giving me the chance and the opportunity to talk your today's issue I was actually wondering or a long time at the time of partition we are talking about motility and oversee but we have seen the mobility and huge mobilization of resources so why it happened during possible and as you are studying history focusing on immobility / you have any have you seen in insights what actually accelerating factors of human mobility with resources and so all you researched you find in a future in the chance that the answer angle we come I fully agree my name is Ben action and the economist here I fully agree with your diagnosis that as economist we know that mobility lives to poverty reduction particularly if the mobility is accompanied by portable assets we say human capital assets and so on but even without bringing the human capital issue you know in west bengal twenty-five percent is the muslim proportion of population but in urbanization is only 19 person and the reverse is the case in bangladesh is a much higher proportion of hindu population in our urban areas so you have a contrasting sort of pattern between west bengal and bama the she jumps of rural-urban migration through the ratio sort of identity my question is that I was trying to think that if I came little late so I missed out some your remarks and I'm a fan of your writings whether the you are trying to contrast the experience of economic migration we the experience of traumatic migration like one is economic migration going for the high wages and so on length widget has a book let them come and estimated the rate of returns another is that the migration that happens because of some traumatic shocks so whether you are you are trying to really compare the ingredients different pattern structures experience feelings qualities because that particular that even in the colonial part you mention about the racialized identity in different segments of the labor market and I was interested to know your opinion about whether it has some implication thank you for in the interest of two more questions and then we'll be done I think the issue was about are there different kinds of migration and I think that's very important I'm gonna shine the hood I'm from a very different recently i teach housing an algorithm i'm interested in the relevance of historiography but the spatial presence in your presentation you have talked about a symmetric it's a structure network that caused ethnic diversity of flavor in concentrated special areas then you moved on to post-colonial stages where you have i doubt it that expansion of infrastructure led to homogenization of labor if we see the dhaka things like that all those ethnic diversities are gone so my question to you are do you notice the existence mountains and off the green population today thank you I'm Sofia m street so you mentioned once in your speech and then again in comments later that under conditions of abject poverty and a mobility that familial relations tend to wither so I wondered if you noticed any particular scheme in your research of how these in a while and very poor communities reorganize if there's any if there's any sort of real recording unit or relationship round which these communities reorganize i will stop taking questions here i know i will be disappointing a few people but we also understand in this process that time is a scarce resource and we have to manage it so let's back it up thanks a lot for some extremely challenging questions I'll take the first question about the I was not suggesting from this is from the person from John vinegar Lancaster yeah I'm not suggesting that mobility and immobility are binaries I'm suggesting that a mobility and mobility have a complex mutual relationship that the mobility of some constitutes the ohm ability of others and so it is very it entered intertwined in a very complex way but then there's a process i'm at some point with the passage of time which is where the temporal comes in where there seems to be a separation where they float off from each other you know a mobile assembly stuck and abandoned that olha isolated in in the most bizarre fashion yeah so that's what I'm trying to suggest it's not a binary in that sense the second question about the temporal hopefully have woven into into that and I'm not sure I only understood the question but obviously the issue of capital is central to this and the ways in which capital has Bennett rated and the rate at which Kaplan has penetrated that the processes by which bank capital is penetrated I suggest is central to this story so this is not a story which is taking capital out of the picture at all it's trying to make it at the center of the picture but it's trying to relate to story which we sometimes think of this as the story of the history of capitalism was storing the history of labor with what we think of as the political history of citizenship for the political history of minority formation it's trying to show those two things as interlinked processes I don't know I probably didn't fully succeed in that but that's what I'm trying to do ah the reunification of I was wondering when it would come up I think I I won't go baby we could talk over tea but I think I should probably say that it's really in the present circumstance given what I know about the politics of India I think it's unlikely but yeah and and I also think that you know but and it's also another job of historians to predict my phone that's my alarm so that's like that say something let's just ignore it then can I come to the clinics and who says he's my fan thank you so much and thank you very much for asking me a really really good question because they actually the argument I'm making is an economic migration and forced migration are not separate they are not they are analyzed as conceptually separate issues but in fact the issues are very they are bound up so the people who become refugees and has seen as forced migrants are people who have access to economic mobility yeah so what I was saying was that what the point is that i've been trying to make is that the subject divides migrants into two heaps economic migrants on one side and forced migrants on the other side economic migrants are rational actors and agents responding to the market forces and forced migrants are essentially not ish agents that pushed out they pushed in some movies I'm suggesting it's not like that the people who we see as forced migrants and refugees are basically people who are people who had access to economic modes of migration earlier and are very much tied into those forms of mobility and then we use them when political circumstances make it you make it a good for them to migrate in so the two forms overlapping intertwined finally this historiography of the off-the-grid I'm losing the thread of what the question was close I didn't write it down properly it it really wasn't what i want what i feel is one of the big weaknesses of this study is that we did not actually do enough work on the off-the-grid areas the princes of the village inn in that we talked about whether kazi brothers lived that is an off-the-grid area there are many such areas like it with one of the reasons why we didn't do research that is because it's so hard to do research them because those areas many areas are still off the grid it can take 25 hours our bus you know then my motorcycle and then by foot to reach a research site so these areas do exist they're there they're all around us will be chose not somehow to see them because our modes of travel make the very distant to our perception and finally there was an excellent question from here about the reorganisation of communities absolutely there has been a very interesting reorganization community structure and a family structure among the stairs on what you do see for instance are very large numbers of households which are headed by women what you do see are large numbers of households where you know people are shared labor and shake shake air and childcare and then mainly all they're not all all women household but they are substantially households made up of women which then form a distinctive community structure in which they participate in the late in in labor and the labor of domestic will work in in distinctive ways in which they react redistribute that work in ways which are not like your normal at you like patriarchal family they are physically but it's not something that has been sufficiently analyzed in this particular paper but I tried to suggest it by showing all those old women households oh pretty substantial women house was asked last one alright i think all good things have to come to an end so this is another one so professor Chatterjee and the very distinguished members of the audience this was a glorious evening I think this was also joyfully gift from joy just before he so thank you very much I i think for making this trip and sharing a part of your world apart if you work with us and i also would like to thank the audience for making this trip at this time i thought all of you would be going off to your districts but i think me joy was more more exciting and we really appreciate if this you could make this time it's you who make this happen because without participation we would not have this wonderful get together one oblique reference just one because there's just so much here they were like every unification there was this thing ice ice sort of would like to suggest that it will not be overt if at all it will be subtle and I think the subtle tea will be based on the opening up the Asian I base and all these things will be training Commerce and on that and I think there will be something to be seen there and this is only a hypothesis and in fact it I also wanted to sort of make this case that this whole entire presentation was so rich I can see that this is more a generation of a huge set of hypotheses that others can actually take up take up and run with these things you know one study does not answer all the questions and this is what we're seeing here right right here that so many other opportunities have arisen for those of you who might want to sort of take up this will be wonderful opportunity for Brock University and ranked universities good wishes to engage with University of Cambridge and that's one of the main purposes why joy is here so it looks like there's going to be a huge potential opportunity here I'm not the historians i'm not going to them to try and parse or work but let me just mention one other thing that yesterday I spent some time at the workshop with her we like to have workshops because you want to share ideas and this particular workshop wasn't research methodology and how do you were published i would like to sort of make one point here and the point that she made yesterday was she said to be a good teacher one must also be a good researcher that stuck with me and i say i thought this would be a wonderful opportunity to sort of share with all our academics and i can tell you research is hard work I've done this for 30 years and I know what it is also but at the end of this hard work is all you can see that it can also be very deeply satisfying and here's an example so i hope i knew from the academic world will reflect on her words the third thing that the second thing I'd like to do is to mention that the brac university distinguished scholar series is basically designed to bring innovative influence children innovative and inspiring movers and shakers to the campus of Brock University our objectives are heightened awareness of the academic the wider community to new horizons apology and to enrich their perspectives are contemporary issues the speakers are chosen from not just academics we'd like to see in future speakers coming from writers advocates politicians business and media experts statesmen designers and even artists from the jungly of dance and all that so essentially we do this we bring this troy university in the end the community in which we share space to make for vibrant exciting academic environment

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