Freedom of Souls and Salvation – Part 2

December 26, 2018 Was John the Baptist Fully Reformed and Saved? Dr. Nikhil asked: You had mentioned in the
previous discourse that John the Baptist, was like good fertile soil with good seeds,
but he could not hear the preaching of Jesus. You also said that this John had received
the rain of God’s grace in his generation and was already saved. That is why he was able to recognize Jesus
as a Human Incarnation of God. I am confused whether these statements refer
to John the Baptist or John the disciple. If they refer to John the disciple there is
no problem. But if they refer to John the Baptist, then
there is a contradiction. Before Jesus arrived, how can it be said that
the Baptist had received the grace of God? The grace of God is basically the divine knowledge
preached by the Incarnation. But the Baptist never learned divine knowledge
from Jesus. Then naturally, it is not possible that the
Baptist was saved. If the Baptist was already saved, he must
be fully-reformed. If he was fully-reformed, how could there
be an un-canceled pending punishment for him? The Baptist was not an Incarnation to bear
the suffering of devotees upon himself, like Jesus. This means that his death sentence must have
been the punishment for his own sin. It means that he was not fully reformed and
saved. Swami replied: John, the baptizer of Jesus,
was another contemporary Human Incarnation. It is like sage Vyāsa, who was another Human
Incarnation along with Krishna. The births of all these Human Incarnations
were miraculous. Sage Vyāsa was directly born as a grown-up
boy as soon as sage Parāśara met with Satyavati, the unmarried mother of Vyāsa. John was born to a very old barren lady and
Jesus was born to an unmarried girl. While Krishna was born, Lord Viṣṇu, the
Energetic Incarnation, appeared before His parents. After the birth of both Krishna and Jesus,
wicked kings in their respective places and times, killed several children in search of
both. Both Krishna and Jesus did several miracles. Both preached wonderful spiritual knowledge
in the form of the Gita and the Bible respectively. When John was to be born, a divine angel told
His father that God is sending this messenger to preach about the concept of reformation
of the soul. Baptism was the external symbol of this reformation. Like sage Vyāsa, John also lived in a remote
forest. John was very bold due to His strong faith
in God and so He criticized a king for committing the sin of unlawful sex. John’s idea was that the king should repent
and withdraw from the sin. For his bold criticism, He was imprisoned
by the king. The king was actually not willing to behead
Him since he recognized Him to be a divine messenger. But the king was trapped by negative influences
which forced him to commit such a horrible sin of killing a divine preacher. Even in the case of Jesus, the Roman officer,
before whom the trial of Jesus was conducted, could not find any fault with Jesus. But he was trapped in the plot of the priests
of the temple, and was forced to order the crucifixion. As Jesus suffered the sins of His devotees
through the crucifixion, John also suffered the sins of His devotees through His horrible
punishment. Every divine messenger is an Incarnation of
God. The difference between actual Incarnations
like Krishna and Jesus and so on, and divine messengers like Vyāsa, Madhva, John and so
on, is very small. In the case of the Incarnation, God actually
merges with the soul, whereas in the case of the divine messenger, He remains very closely
associated with the soul. Śaṅkara and Jesus declared that they are
God. Śaṅkara said “Śivaḥ kevalo’ham. Jesus said “I am the truth and the light”
It was the God who had merged into them who spoke those words through them. The human being components in the Incarnations
did not want to speak such words. No devoted soul, be it the soul in an Incarnation
or a messenger, aspires for monism with God. God Himself merges with the specific soul
and speaks about His identity, suppressing the desire of the devoted soul acting as His
medium. Balarāma was an incarnation of Ādiśeṣa,
who is a very close servant of God. But he is considered as one of the ten Incarnations
of God. It is like an honorary degree granted to a
person or a conferred IAS officer. There is not the slightest difference between
a messenger of God, a son of God and an Incarnation of God. The three represent the dualism of Madhva,
the special monism of Rāmānuja and the perfect monism of Śaṅkara respectively. In fact, the Incarnation of God Himself expresses
each of these three states based on the extent of ego and jealousy of His disciples. If the disciples have very high ego and jealousy,
the Incarnation says that He is only a messenger of God. If the disciples’ ego and jealousy is moderate,
He says that He is the son of God. If the ego and jealousy of the disciples is
negligibly small, He reveals His oneness with God. Even the divine messenger saves His disciples
by undergoing the punishment for their sins. The Incarnation is a homogeneous mixture of
God and soul, like an alloy of gold and copper. The messenger is a copper rod welded with
a golden rod. In both cases, if the gold is heated, the
copper also becomes hot. In both cases, the human being-component suffers
by the will of God. God, who is represented by gold in the analogy,
is invisible and in fact, unimaginable. So, the heating of the invisible gold can
only be expressed through the heating of the visible copper. In other words, we cannot see the unimaginable
God. But upon witnessing the suffering of the the
human-component of the Incarnation, we realize the fact that God suffers for the sins of
His devotees. Here, it is very important to note that God
suffers for the sins of only His real devotees. He does not suffer for the sins of all humanity. Emmanuel is the one who suffers for the sins
of only His real devotees.

7 thoughts on “Freedom of Souls and Salvation – Part 2

  • Could anyone please clarify my doubt, because of devotees God or human incranation getting suffer. So God helping us to be happy and accepting the pain for us. Kindly help me or confirm whether understanding is correct.

  • From this message I understand that better not to judge god's actions and come to a conclusion by ourselves. He always acts in a multidimentional way. I should express my desire to know the meaning behind his actions so that the human incarnation himself will clarify our doubt's. In this example we had a confusion about lord jesus actions, our beloved Shri Datta Swamy clarified our confusion because it's the same god who comes as human incarnation.

  • Correlation between different religions and sub-religions of Hinduism (Advaita, Vishistha Advaita and Dvaita) is simply awesome. This should end all the communal fights/riots between religions and establish peace in the world. Awesome explanation by the Lord Datta. Jai Dattaswami. Jai Guru Datta.

  • Freedom has different. meanings. The Vedic meaning is to be understood this is the real meaning. In this video the root meaning as defined in the Vedas is explained.

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