Giuliani shares what he said about Bin Laden to Bush following 9/11


BRIAN: THERE YOU SEE THE FREEDOM TOWER. IT TOOK SO LONG TO BUILD. MAN, IT WAS WORTH THE WAIT. THE ENTIRE COMPLEX HAS BEEN REBUILT IT. LOOKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT BUT NO ONE WILL EVER FORGET BECAUSE OF THE MUSEUM BUILT COMMEMORATING THE 9/11 ATTACKS 18 YEARS AGO. AINSLEY: THE FAMILIES ARE GOING TO ARRIVE 7:00 AT 9/11 MEMORIAL HERE IN NEW YORK CITY TO REMEMBER TODAY 18 YEARS AGO. PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY WILL PARTICIPATE IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE. SIX MOMENT OF SILENCES FOR THE TWO PLANES THAT HIT AND TWO TOWERS THAT FELL. STEVE: YOU CAN SEE CLOUDY HERE IN NEW YORK CITY ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO THERE ON THE FACE OF THE PENTAGON. THEY UNFURLED THE FLAG AS THEY DO EVERY YEAR SINCE SEPTEMBER THE 11TH, 2001, TO MARK THE 184 PEOPLE WHO DIED IN THE ATTACK THAT DAY. STEVE: RIGHT NOW, WE ARE JOINED BY THE MAN WHO WAS MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY AT THE TIME, RUDY GIULIANI, WHO HAS ALSO BEEN THE PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEY OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. RUDY, IT’S HARD TO BELIEVE IT WAS 18 YEARS AGO.>>SOMETIMES IT’S VERY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT IT IS. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT TO SOMEONE. SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE AGES. SOMETIMES IT’S LIKE YESTERDAY AND SOMETIMES IT’S LIKE 100 YEARS AGO. IT’S VERY HARD TO SAY. WHEN YOU COME UP TO IT, I WENT DOWN THERE A WEEK AGO, AND HADN’T BEEN THERE IN A WHILE. AND I — IT BROUGHT BACK A LOT OF THE FEELINGS AND THE MEMORIES. THE STRANGE THING IS A LOT OF THE EMOTION DOESN’T GO AWAY WHEN YOU GET CONFRONTED WITH IT. YOU DON’T REMEMBER IT AS OFTEN NOW 18 YEARS LATER. BUT, WHEN YOU DO REMEMBER IT, IN SOME WAYS IT’S MORE POWERFUL. BRIAN: WHAT’S INTERESTING IS I REMEMBER HEADING DOWN WHEN THE TOWERS WERE HIT BECAUSE WE WERE ON THE AIR. I’M HEADING DOWN WITH A CREW AND WE STOPPED THE CAMERA GUY SAYS WE HAVE TO TAKE A SHOT OF THIS ON BROADWAY. SOME GUY WITH A JEAN SHIRT ON AND A TIE AND HE IS SITTING THERE AND HE IS CURSING. I GO WHAT’S GOING ON? HE SAID I GO THE TOWERS WERE HIT AND I GO WE ARE HEADING DOWN THERE. HE SAID WELL THE PENTAGON WAS HIT. I SAID HOW DO YOU KNOW? I’M ON THE PHONE WITH THE PENTAGON. WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT?>>I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT RIGHT BEFORE WE GOT INTO THE BUILDING THAT BERNIE KERIK WHO YOU JUST HAD ON HAD SET UP WITH COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT. SO I GOT THERE I RUSHED DOWN TO PETE GANSY, WHO WAS THE CHIEF, RUNNING THE FIRE. I PUT BERNIE AND HIM TOGETHER SO THEY MAKE SURE THE RIGHT FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS WERE THERE I ASKED BERNIE TO SET UP AN OFFICE FOR US. BECAUSE THE PHONES WEREN’T WORKING. CELL PHONES WEREN’T WORKING 100 PERCENT. SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OPENED UP AN OFFICE FOR US. AND I WENT INTO THE OFFICE. AS I WAS WALKING INTO THE OFFICE SOMEBODY SAID WE THINK THE PENTAGON WAS HIT. SOMEBODY YELLED OUT THE SERIOUS TOWER. BRIAN: CHICAGO?>>THE FIRST THING DID I WHEN I GOT THERE CALLED THE WHITE HOUSE AND ASKED FOR PRESIDENT BUSH AND GOT CHRIS, KARL ROVE’S DEPUTY. I SAID CHRIS, HAS THE PENTAGON BEEN HIT? HE SAID AFFIRMATIVE. THAT MILITARY LANGUAGE THAT PUT — OH MY GOD, WE ARE AT WAR. I KNEW NOW TWO PLANES HAD HIT. I KNEW WE WERE UNDER A TERRORIST ATTACK. BRIAN: YOU KNEW IT WASN’T ALL BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN.>>IMMEDIATELY WHEN IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK I KNEW IT WAS AL QAEDA. BECAUSE WE HAD THAT INTELLIGENCE IN THE CITY FOR THE CITY COUPLE YEARS. WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE AN ATTACK DECEMBER 31st, 1999. ALMOST CANCELLED NOE NEW YEAR’S EVE CELEBRATION THAT YEAR. I THINK ONE WAS CANCELLED ONE OF THE CITIES, SEATTLE OR SOMETHING. AND SO WE WERE — WE WERE READY FOR IT. WE WEREN’T — NEVER ANTICIPATED AIRPLANES BEING USED AS MISSILES. STEVE: RUDY, THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DIFFERENT THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS WERE STRUCK YEARS EARLIER.>>’93, THE YEAR BEFORE I BECAME MAYOR. STEVE: IN THAT CASE THERE WAS ESSENTIALLY A CAR BOMB DOWN IN THE BASEMENT.>>FULLY EXPECTED THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. IN FACT I WAS SURPRISED IT HAPPENED HAPPENED IN THE SEVEN YEARS BEFORE THERE HAD BEEN AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR THREATS. POLICE DEPARTMENT STOPPED GUY HITTING A TOGGLE SWITCH SHOT HIM. WE WERE CLOSE TO IT. NOT THAT TYPE. STEVE: RUDY, WITH THAT PARTICULAR STRIKE, EVERYBODY STAYED AT THEIR DESK IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTERED TOWERS. AND THAT WAS THE MODE OF OPERATION ON SEPTEMBER THE 11TH, 2001 AS WELL. BECAUSE THE BELIEF WAS WE’RE GOING TO SEND THE FIREMEN UP TO YOU AND BRING YOU DOWN. DON’T EVACUATE THE BUILDING.>>THAT’S WHY ACTUALLY THE FIREFIGHTERS PERFORMED THE GREATEST EVACUATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY. BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST HEARD HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE DEAD, THE CALCULATION WAS 12,000. THAT CALCULATION WAS BASED ON PRETTY GOOD ESTIMATE OF WHO WAS IN THE BUILDING AND WHO COULD GET OUT IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME. PARTICULARLY WITH THE CONFUSION YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU READ THE 9/11 REPORT, WHICH HAS CRITICISMS BUT I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING IT SAYS CLEARLY. THEY TOOK OUT ALMOST 100 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE CAPABLE OF TAKING OUT. WHICH MEANS THEY TOOK OUT THE PEOPLE PETE GANZY TOLD ME THEY COULD TAKE OUT. WHEN I WENT UP TO HIM I SAW A MAN JUMP FROM THE 100TH FLOOR. STATE OF SHOCK. YOU REALIZE IT A COUPLE DAYS LATER. I SAW THE MAN SPLATTER ON THE GROUND. I WENT UP TO PETE AND I SAID PETE, CAN WE GET UP THERE WITH A HELICOPTER? AND PETE SAID MY GUYS CAN GET EVERYBODY BELOW THE FIRE. HE LOOKED AT ME LIKE STEEL EYES LIKE, MAYOR, DON’T PUSH ME. I’M GOING TO GET MY MEN KILLED UP THERE I LOOKED UP AND REALIZED WHY THE FLAMES SHOOT OUT OF WINDOW. YOU PUT A HELICOPTER ANYWHERE NEAR THERE BOOM IT’S GOING TO BLOW. AINSLEY: SOME THOUGHTS GOING THROUGH OUR MIND THIS MORNING. SAW ROBB O’NEIL AT THE MEMORIAL. IS HE WALKING THROUGH THE MUSEUM. HE ENDS WITH THE SHOT OF THE SHIRT THAT HE WAS WEARING WHEN HE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD KILLING THE MAN WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED HE IS NOW GOING TO TRIAL 20 YEARS LATER. I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE LAST NIGHT. TALKING TO A FRIEND OF MY LAST NIGHT, RUDY, SHE SAID HER HUSBAND WAS IN THE BUILDING, ONE OF THE TOWERS. HE GOT OUT. BUT HE LOST SO MANY FRIENDS THAT DAY. SHE SAID WHEN YOU REPORT TOMORROW, SHE SAID TELL THE STORY OF 9/11 BUT ALSO TELL THE STORY OF THE HEROES. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE HEROES, HEROIC STORIES THAT COME TO MIND.>>YOU JUST DID STEPHEN SILER EMBLEMATIC OF ALL OF THEM. HE RAN TO THE FIRE. I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER HERO. SAVED EVERYBODY AT MORGAN STANLEY I BELIEVE IT IS. THE DAY AFTER I CALLED UP THE CEO MORGAN STANLEY AFTER CALLING I THOUGHT THEY HAD LOST ABOUT 400 PEOPLE. THREE PEOPLE. FOUR PEOPLE. THE HEAD OF SECURITY. WHO VOLUNTEERED FOR THE VIETNAM WAR, BECAME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, VOLUNTEERED FOR THE VIETNAM WAR AND GOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON OUT BY GOING INTO THEIR DOORS. HALF GOT OUT. THE OTHER HALF WAS SITTING THERE CONFUSED. GET OUT. OUT. THAT’S WHAT HE DID IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HE HAD BEFORE HE DIED. BRIAN: COUPLE OF THINGS COME TO MIND. NUMBER ONE, THERE IS A REPORT TODAY IN THE NEW REPORT TODAY IN THE “EW REPORT TODAY IN THE “NEW YORK POST” THAT RICHARD MINUTE TER CHRONICLED BIN LADEN AND WHAT HE WAS UP TO. NOT ONLY IS KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED SITTING AT GITMO AS A MARTYR HE WROTE DOWN THE FLIGHT NUMBERS OF THE AIRPLANES ON A PIECE OF PAPER, MADE AIRPLANE AND THREW IT AT ONE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS AS THEY SAT AT GITMO AT HIS HEARING. HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL THAT THERE IS SO LITTLE –>>I PROBABLY CANNOT DESCRIBE IT. IF I DESCRIBED IT, PROBABLY EMBARRASS MYSELF. STEVE: WHY HASN’T IT TAKEN THIS LONG.>>THE ANGER IS TREMENDOUS. ALL THE TIME THAT I WAS THERE FOR THE FOUR MONTHS THAT I WATCHED THE RECOVERY EFFORT. AND WATCHED THE BODIES BEING CARRIED OUT AND WENT TO 100 — I DON’T KNOW, A LOT OF FUNERALS. THE ANGER WAS TREMENDOUS. WHEN I SAW PRESIDENT BUSH FOR THE FIRST TIME AND HE GOT OFF THE HELICOPTER, I WAS WITH GOVERNOR PA TACKY. HE GREETED THE GOVERNOR AND CAME UP TO ME. VERY FAMOUS PICTURE BACK OF MY HEAD LIKE THAT. HE SAYS TO ME RUDY, WHAT CAN I DO? WHEN YOU GET BIN LADEN LET ME KILL HIM OR I MIGHT HAVE SAID EXECUTE HIM. I THINK I WAS THINKING AS A LAWYER. I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT AND I COULD TRY THE CASE. I HAD DONE THAT FOR TWO NAZIS. I ONLY HAD TWO CAPITAL CASES IN MY CAREER AND BOTH OF THEM WERE NAZIS. ONE HAD KILLED 7,000 PEOPLE. ANOTHER HAD KILLED 12,000 PEOPLE. CAPITAL CASE IS EASY LIKE THAT. THIS GUY WOULD HAVE BEEN — ALTHOUGH MAYBE YOU KEEP HIM ALIVE AND GET INFORMATION. BRIAN: KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED WAS THE MASTER MIND.>>IT’S ABSURD. THE POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT THOSE FIREFIGHTERS, THE POLICE OFFICERS AND LOTS OF CIVILIANS WILL NEVER KNOW ABOUT LIKE RICK. I JUST USE RICK AS AN EXAMPLE. I CAN GIVE YOU 20 OTHER STORIES LIKE THAT. ELDERLY MAN, PEOPLE GETTING ON THE ELEVATOR. AND HE SAYS NO, NO, NO. HE LOOKS AT THEM AND SAYS TO ABOUT 40 PEOPLE ON THE ELEVATOR WHOM I PROBABLY TALKED TO FIVE. HE SAYS NO, I HAVE ALREADY LIVED MY LIFE. YOU ARE ALL YOUNGER. AND HE LET THE ELEVATOR CLOSE AND THEN THE BUILDING. BRIAN: THERE IS A LOT OF SURVIVOR’S GUILT.>>I DEAL WITH IT WITH SOME FRIENDS OF MINE. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. I SHOULD HAVE — BERNIE CAN TELL YOU THIS. WE WERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE BILLING TWO AND A HALF BLOCKS AWAY. IF YOU ARE ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING TWO AND A HALF BLOCKS AWAY YOU WOULDN’T BE HERE TO DESCRIBE. WE DIDN’T DETERMINE HOW THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO COME DOWN. IT CAME DOWN IT, IMPLODED, BUT IT SLIGHTLY WENT A LITTLE BIT TO THE SOUTH. , WHICH BY THE WAY, IS WHAT PETE GANZY TOLD ME. ONE OF THE THINGS HE TOLD ME AND BERNIE IS TELL ALL THESE PEOPLE TO GO NORTH AND GET THE — OUT OF HERE. BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE, WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY. YOU CAN SEE A FEW SHOTS, IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY OF PEOPLE JUST STANDING THERE THEY ARE COMING OUT. BRIAN: AND WATCHING.>>DANGEROUS BEFORE THE BUILDINGS CAME DOWN. I SAW PEOPLE HIT WITH DEBRIS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT FATHER JUDGE WAS KILLED THAT WAY WITH DEBRIS WHILE HE WAS MINISTERING TO SOMEBODY. BEFORE THE BUILDING CAME DOWN, I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW MANY WERE KILLED OUTSIDE. SOME WERE KILLED BY DEAD BODIES. SOME WERE KILLED BY DEBRIS. BUT SOME PEOPLE WERE JUST STANDING THERE IN HARM’S WAY MESMERIZED BY THE FIRE. WHICH HAPPENS AT FIRES. IT’S A THING FIREFIGHTERS KNOW. YOU WANT THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THERE BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE HURT. THERE IS ALSO BLOCKING THE ABILITY OF HIM GETTING TRUCKS IN AND AND OUT. AT THAT POINT HE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE FIGHTING THE FIRE ALL DAY. PEOPLE ASKED ME DID THEY KNOW IT WOULD IMPLODE THAT WAY? I SAID NO. BECAUSE THE CHIEF SAID TO ME AND THIS MAN HAD FOUGHT 4,000 FIRES, PROBABLY FOUGHT MORE HIGH RISE FIREFIGHTERS IN AMERICA MAYBE ANYBODY IN THE WORLD GIVEN THE SKY SCRAPERS IN THE CITY. HIGH RISE FIRES ARE YOU NEED TO BE A BRAIN SURGEON AND ATOMIC FIZZ CYST TO KNOW HOW TO FIGHT A FIRE LIKE THAT. HE SAID GET ME. GET THE GUYS RIGHT AWAY. GET I TOLD TOMI GET THE GUYS RIGHT AWAY. I HAVE TO RELIEVE THESE GUYS VERY QUICKLY. WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOREVER. WHAT HE MEANT WAS THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO COME DOWN AND COME DOWN IN STAGES THE WAY OTHER BUILDINGS COME DOWN. AINSLEY: DO YOU EVER HAVE MOMENTS LISTENING TO THESE STORIES THAT ROB O’NEILL TALKED ABOUT A SINGLE MOM WHO HAD TWO KIDS I BELIEVE HE SAID AND SHE JUMPED. YOU KNOW SHE IS DESPERATE LIKE NO MOM WOULD DO THAT. SHE WAS HOLDING HER SKIRT DOWN. WANTED TO DIE IN DIGNITY. HOW DO YOU –>>IF I HAVE A RECURRING IMAGE AND I HAVE A LOT, PARTICULARLY WHEN I GO THERE BECAUSE THEN I SEE PLACES WHERE I SAW — I SAW, YOU KNOW, TERRY HAT IN HIS TRUCK OR WHERE I SAW CHIEF GANSY FOR THE LAST TIME OR FATHER JUDGE, I SHOOK HIS HAND AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAID HE ALWAYS TEASED ME. THE MAN WAS THE FUNNIEST MAN THAT EVER LIVED, PRIEST, CATHOLIC FRANCISCAN PRIEST. WE HAD A LITTLE JOKE FATHER PRAY FOR ME. HE LOOK AT ME IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE IF YOU DID. NO JOKING. FATHER, PRAY FOR US, I SAID. HE SAID I AM. IT SENT CHILLS UP MY MIND. THIS IS ANOTHER MAN HAD BEEN AT A THOUSAND FIREFIGHTERS. HE WAS A FIREFIGHTER’S CHAPLIN. RIGHT NEXT TO IT WHY HE DIED. BRIAN: ARE YOU HEADING DOWNTOWN.>>SURE IN A LITTLE WHILE. GO THERE AND SEE ALL THE FAMILIES AND THE NAMES. IT’S A MIXED — IT’S THE SADDEST DAY AND HAPPIEST DAY BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH BRAVERY. AMERICA WAS AT ITS BEST FOR WEEKS. STEVE: WE WERE ALL UNITED FOR A WHILE.>>YOU GO BACK AND SAY I WISH WE COULD RECAPTURE HALF OF THAT. BRIAN: WE WILL.>>PEOPLE CHEERING FOR PRESIDENT BUSH. GOING UP THE WEST SIDE CHEERING FOR HIM. HE HAD A LITTLE SMILE ON HIS FACE.

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