GUNTALK S5: Black Hills Cowboys, Pt 1


– [Voiceover]
There’s a place where the rivers still run wild, where the rocks and
weather make for hard men, where people know who they are, where what was great still is. A singular chapter of American
history was written here, where cowboys still ride in the Black Hills of South Dakota, where old guns are good guns, and passionate people load
ammo for those cowboy guns. (western guitar music) Today on Gun Talk, It’s Cowboy Guns and
Loads on the High Plains. (western guitar music) – [Voiceover] Gorgeous
day to shoot some guns! Why do they call you
the Toy Man, after all? – Oh, it’s got nothing to
do with what it sounds like. It has more to do
with my propensity for buying expensive
stuff like guns, and night vision, suppressors. – So, imagine that. (gun popping, bullet pinging) Jeff, we’ve got all
these cowboy guns out, and some others, too. How in the world did
you get in to doing the whole cowboy ammo thing? – We listen to our customers. The customers kept requesting Cowboy Action
Shooting ammunition when Cowboy Action Shooting
was first getting started and that wasn’t in our line.
(gun pops and bullet pings) And that posed a
problem for us because we didn’t know anything
about Cowboy Action Ammo at that time. So we started asking our
friends and industry people like John Taffin
and Mike Venturino, “What do we need
to know about this, “because Clint Eastwood’s
a big hero to me?” And I always remember
one thing he said, “A man’s gotta know
his limitations”, and I knew what I didn’t know and I needed some help. – Okay, so you’ve got .45 Colt, but you have some
other things here and you we’re telling
me there’s a reason that you started loading kind
of these shorter cartridges because really it
was a safety issue. – We did. The Cowboy Action Shooters,
they wanted to use the traditional cartridges,
the Black Powder cartridges, like .45 Colt, and
originally that used 40 grains of black powder. Now, people are
using smaller charges of fast-burning pistol powder. – [Man in White] So you
went to actually some of the older cartridges? – I did some research
and for the .45 Colt I looked at and said is
there a historically correct cartridge that
fits in a .45 Colt but has less powder
capacity, i.e. shorter, and I discovered
the .45 Schofield, and of course that’s a
historical cartridge, a military cartridge. So I contacted
Starline and said, “Can you make this?” – [Man in White] So for
you, as long as you can get the brass, you can load for it? – Long as we can get
the brass we can make the rest of the tooling,
the rails, and everything, and develop the loads for it. So we brought back the
.45 Schofield after better than a 100
years of absence. And nobody’d ever made
it for over 100 years, so we brought it back. (guns popping, bullets pinging) – Then you’ve got things
like the .38 Short Colt? – The .38 Colt
with the same idea. There’s a lot of guns
out there for the .357. – Right. – A lot of guns for
the .38 Special, and we thought why
not continue this, so we did the .38
Colt the same way. – And you can shoot a .38 Colt
in a .38 Special or a .357? – Correct. – Okay, so what all
do we have here? Just kind of run
through, if you would, like from one side
to the other for me. – Well here, we’ve got .32-20s. We do the traditional
cowboy loading; it’s a 115-grain cast bullet, all around 700 feet per
second, really pleasant. A lot of the Cowboy Action
Shooters that like speed, not a lot of recoil, or
the ladies that don’t want a lot of recoil,
it’s a allowable caliber for those guys, and a
historically correct caliber. Here we’ve got the .44 Russian. That’s to the .44 Magnum
what the Schofield is to the Colt, basically. It’s identical dimensions
to the .44 Magnum except it’s a much shorter case. You can see the two cases, Tom; they’re considerably shorter.
– [Tom] Well, look at that. – Yeah, a huge difference. – And by doing that, of course, you minimize the amount of part of the capacity you’ve got, so you minimize the
amount of variation with that powder moving around. So you can get very good
uniformity at lower velocities by using things like
the .44 Russian. – And you can use
the .44 Russian in your .44 Magnum revolver. – Or a .44 Special
revolver, either one. – [Tom] .44-40.
That’s interesting. – .44-40, that’s,
of course, one of the traditional cowboy calibers. The cowboys liked that
one because they can load their lever gun and
their single-action, and have one caliber
of ammunition for ’em. That was probably the most
popular western cartridge, I think, historically. (western guitar music) – [Tom] All right, what
you got there, Jeff? – This is our .44-40, probably one of the most
popular old-time cowboy loads, a 200-grain bullet, oh, I think
about 800 feet per second. – All right, well you
have a little fun with it, and then it’s gonna
be my turn, okay? – [Jeff] Okay.
– [Tom] All right. (western guitar music) (gun firing and bullets pinging) (western guitar music)
(gun firing, bullets pinging) – You shoot that pretty well. So why do people shoot
the .44-40 these days? – I think it’s primarily
just Old West history. The .44-40 was one of the
original cowboy cartridges, probably the most popular
cartridge in the Old West. – [Tom] Just makes you a
part of the American history right there just
shooting the thing. Well, let’s see. I don’t know if I can
shoot like Jeff does, but we’ll see what
we can do here. (gun firing and bullets pinging) (western guitar music)
(gun firing, bullets pinging) By golly, these things do work. And as you say, when
you’ve got one of these, you’re definitely
not unarmed are you? – Oh no. (western guitar music) – [Tom] All right, Jeff,
we’ve got the .32-20. That is just a beautiful
little cartridge. – It sure is, a
little bottle-neck
.32 caliber cartridge. And of course, the .32, a .32-20, based on the
original nomenclature, the naming of the cartridges, what that was was a .32
caliber cartridge propelled by 20 grains of black powder. – All right, this
is a little gun. I notice you said that the
front sight is bent a little bit because that’s how they
used to sight ’em in. – That’s how they’d
sight ’em in. You just bend the front sight, you get it shooting
where you want it. – Okay, so I don’t
know if I have to cock it over to the side or what I do but we’ll find out. (bullet pings)
Hey, it works, how ’bout that. (bullets pinging
and gun popping) – My goodness, remind me
not to shoot against you. – (laughing) Thanks Jeff. Now, Jeff, you’ve got
this .45-70 rifle there. Are you ready to
try that one out? – That’s a Sharps; it belongs
to a friend of mine, Tex. That looks like here
he’s coming now. – [Tom] Ha! Here comes Tex. – [Jeff] You’re gonna like this.

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