House Investigator Confronts Trump Aide Under Oath For Lying On MSNBC | The Beat With Ari Melber


. .>>>I DON’T EVER REMEMBER THE>>>I DON’T EVER REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT EVER ASKING ME TO GET PRESIDENT EVER ASKING ME TO GET INVOLVED WITH JEFF SESSIONS OR INVOLVED WITH JEFF SESSIONS OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN ANY, WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, EVER. ANY, WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, EVER.>>THAT WAS THE SCENE ON THE>>THAT WAS THE SCENE ON THE WALL INSIDE CONGRESS’S FIRST WALL INSIDE CONGRESS’S FIRST IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION HEARING YESTERDAY, WHICH WAS HEARING YESTERDAY, WHICH WAS GOING LATE INTO THE EVENING. GOING LATE INTO THE EVENING. DONALD TRUMP’S 2016 CAMPAIGN DONALD TRUMP’S 2016 CAMPAIGN MANAGER PRESSED TO ADMIT THAT HE MANAGER PRESSED TO ADMIT THAT HE LIED TO ME ON THIS SHOW WHEN WE LIED TO ME ON THIS SHOW WHEN WE ASKED HIM ABOUT REPORTS THAT ASKED HIM ABOUT REPORTS THAT TRUMP WAS PUSHING HIM TO MEDDLE TRUMP WAS PUSHING HIM TO MEDDLE IN THE PROBE. IN THE PROBE. ALL OF THIS IS NETTING HEADLINES ALL OF THIS IS NETTING HEADLINES TODAY. TODAY. OUTLETS REPORTING ON THAT MOMENT OUTLETS REPORTING ON THAT MOMENT OF COREY LEWANDOWSKI TRYING TO OF COREY LEWANDOWSKI TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED ON “THE EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED ON “THE BEAT”.” BEAT”.” I WANT TO GET INTO THE CONTEXT. I WANT TO GET INTO THE CONTEXT. THIS INVOLVES US A LITTLE BIT. THIS INVOLVES US A LITTLE BIT. MY INTERVIEW WAS ASKING COREY MY INTERVIEW WAS ASKING COREY LEWANDOWSKI IN FEBRUARY ALL LEWANDOWSKI IN FEBRUARY ALL ABOUT THIS AND HE ISSUED HIS NOW ABOUT THIS AND HE ISSUED HIS NOW NOTEWORTHY AND SOMEWHAT TORTURED NOTEWORTHY AND SOMEWHAT TORTURED DENIAL. DENIAL.>>IT SAYS TRUMP CALLED YOU JULY>>IT SAYS TRUMP CALLED YOU JULY 4th WEEKEND, ASKED YOU TO OUT 4th WEEKEND, ASKED YOU TO OUT SESSIONS AND YOU WERE NOT SESSIONS AND YOU WERE NOT COMMITTAL. COMMITTAL.>>I DON’T RECALL THIS SPECIFIC>>I DON’T RECALL THIS SPECIFIC THEY SAY TOOK PLACE ON JULY 4th. THEY SAY TOOK PLACE ON JULY 4th. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY WERE AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY WERE SO SPECIFIC OF THE THE CALL THAT SO SPECIFIC OF THE THE CALL THAT MY KIDS WERE IN MY TRUCK AND MY KIDS WERE IN MY TRUCK AND DRIVING TO DUNKIN’ DONUTS ON THE DRIVING TO DUNKIN’ DONUTS ON THE FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND WOULD FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING I REMEMBER. HAVE BEEN SOMETHING I REMEMBER. SINCE I POLLED MY FOUR CHILDREN SINCE I POLLED MY FOUR CHILDREN AND THEY DON’T REMEMBER THAT AND THEY DON’T REMEMBER THAT EITHER. EITHER. WHEN THE PRESIDENT CALL, THEY WHEN THE PRESIDENT CALL, THEY USUALLY REMEMBER. USUALLY REMEMBER. I THINK I WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED I THINK I WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED THAT CONVERSATION. THAT CONVERSATION.>>THAT’S INTERESTING.>>THAT’S INTERESTING. LET’S PUT IT UP AND DEAL WITH LET’S PUT IT UP AND DEAL WITH THIS. THIS. THE “NEW YORK TIMES” SAYS HE WAS THE “NEW YORK TIMES” SAYS HE WAS CALLED TO ASK HIM TO PRESSURE CALLED TO ASK HIM TO PRESSURE SESSIONS TO RESIGN. SESSIONS TO RESIGN. COREY LEWANDOWSKI WAS COREY LEWANDOWSKI WAS NONCOMMITTAL AND NEVER ACTED ON NONCOMMITTAL AND NEVER ACTED ON THE REQUEST. THE REQUEST. IT DOESN’T MENTION DUNKIN’ IT DOESN’T MENTION DUNKIN’ DONUTS. DONUTS. WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THAT UP? WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THAT UP? IT MAKES IT SEEM YOU DO REMEMBER IT MAKES IT SEEM YOU DO REMEMBER SOMETHING SPECIFIC. SOMETHING SPECIFIC.>>I HAVE A VERY, VERY SPECIAL>>I HAVE A VERY, VERY SPECIAL PRIVILEGE WHICH IS TALKING TO PRIVILEGE WHICH IS TALKING TO THE PRESIDENT ON A FAIRLY THE PRESIDENT ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS. REGULAR BASIS. I DON’T DISCLOSE THOSE I DON’T DISCLOSE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I WILL TELL CONVERSATIONS, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS. YOU THIS. I DON’T EVER REMEMBER THE I DON’T EVER REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT EVER ASKING ME TO GET PRESIDENT EVER ASKING ME TO GET INVOLVED WITH JEFF SESSIONS OR INVOLVED WITH JEFF SESSIONS OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN ANY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, EVER. WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, EVER.>>YOU SAY IT DIDN’T HAPPEN ON>>YOU SAY IT DIDN’T HAPPEN ON THE JULY 4th. THE JULY 4th. THE ARTICLE DOESN’T MENTION DUNK THE ARTICLE DOESN’T MENTION DUNK N N DUNKEN DONUTS. DUNKEN DONUTS.>>COREY LEWANDOWSKI OFFERING>>COREY LEWANDOWSKI OFFERING THAT VERY SUSPICIOUSLY SPECIFIC THAT VERY SUSPICIOUSLY SPECIFIC DENIAL WAS A TELL, AS WE DENIAL WAS A TELL, AS WE EMPHASIZED IN OUR COVERAGE, AND EMPHASIZED IN OUR COVERAGE, AND HE WAS LYING. HE WAS LYING. YOU DON’T REMEMBER THE CALL, HOW YOU DON’T REMEMBER THE CALL, HOW DID YOU KNOW IT HAPPENED ON THE DID YOU KNOW IT HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO DUNKIN’ DONUTS? WAY TO DUNKIN’ DONUTS? NOW SOME OF THIS SOUNDS ALMOST NOW SOME OF THIS SOUNDS ALMOST ABSURD, BUT OBVIOUSLY, THE ABSURD, BUT OBVIOUSLY, THE UNDERLYING ISSUES IS POTENTIAL UNDERLYING ISSUES IS POTENTIAL OF OBSTRUCTION ARE IMPORTANT. OF OBSTRUCTION ARE IMPORTANT. NOW WE TRY TO HEAR ALL SIDES NOW WE TRY TO HEAR ALL SIDES HERE. HERE. WE CONFRONT PEOPLE WITH FACTS. WE CONFRONT PEOPLE WITH FACTS. WE DO FOLLOW A FACT CHECKING. WE DO FOLLOW A FACT CHECKING. WHEN THE MUELLER REPORT CAME OUT WHEN THE MUELLER REPORT CAME OUT IN APRIL, WE DID A FOLLOW-UP IN APRIL, WE DID A FOLLOW-UP REPORT TO DEAL WITH HOW WE KNEW REPORT TO DEAL WITH HOW WE KNEW COREY LEWANDOWSKI HAD LIED IN COREY LEWANDOWSKI HAD LIED IN THAT EXCHANGE YOU JUST SAW. THAT EXCHANGE YOU JUST SAW.>>BLANKET DENIAL.>>BLANKET DENIAL. THAT’S OBVIOUSLY, NOT TRUE. THAT’S OBVIOUSLY, NOT TRUE. COREY LEWANDOWSKI DID REMEMBER COREY LEWANDOWSKI DID REMEMBER IT BECAUSE UNDER PENALTY OF IT BECAUSE UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY, HE REMEMBERED TRUMP PERJURY, HE REMEMBERED TRUMP ASKING HIM TO GET INVOLVED WITH ASKING HIM TO GET INVOLVED WITH SESSIONS IN SO MUCH DETAIL IT SESSIONS IN SO MUCH DETAIL IT WAS JUST TEN MONTHS EARLIER HE WAS JUST TEN MONTHS EARLIER HE WAS TELLING MUELLER ALL ABOUT WAS TELLING MUELLER ALL ABOUT IT. IT. SO COREY LEWANDOWSKI WAS NOT SO COREY LEWANDOWSKI WAS NOT ONLY MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT IN ONLY MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT IN OUR INTERVIEW, HE WAS MAKING IT OUR INTERVIEW, HE WAS MAKING IT KNOWING THAT HE’D ALREADY TOLD KNOWING THAT HE’D ALREADY TOLD MUELLER THE OPPOSITE. MUELLER THE OPPOSITE. SO THERE WERE GOOD ODDS THAT SO THERE WERE GOOD ODDS THAT TESTIMONY ABOUT ALL OF THIS, TESTIMONY ABOUT ALL OF THIS, ABOUT WHAT TRUMP ASKED HIM TO DO ABOUT WHAT TRUMP ASKED HIM TO DO WITH SESSIONS WOULD LATER COME WITH SESSIONS WOULD LATER COME OUT. OUT.>>AND TO GIVE CONTEXT OF WHAT>>AND TO GIVE CONTEXT OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING, WE REPORTED THAT WAS HAPPENING, WE REPORTED THAT COREY LEWANDOWSKI TOLD MUELLER COREY LEWANDOWSKI TOLD MUELLER ABOUT THE TRUMP PLOT TO THWART ABOUT THE TRUMP PLOT TO THWART THE PROBE AND DENIED IT ON THIS THE PROBE AND DENIED IT ON THIS SHOW. SHOW. NOW WHY? NOW WHY? IF COREY LEWANDOWSKI ALREADY IF COREY LEWANDOWSKI ALREADY KNEW HE TOLD MUELLER AND IT KNEW HE TOLD MUELLER AND IT WOULD COME OUT, AS I’M WOULD COME OUT, AS I’M EMPHASIZING HERE, WHY GO TO SUCH EMPHASIZING HERE, WHY GO TO SUCH LENGTHS TO LIE IN PUBLIC? LENGTHS TO LIE IN PUBLIC? THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS IMPORTANT. A FACT COMING OUT TO COREY A FACT COMING OUT TO COREY LEWANDOWSKI IS NOT THE PSALM AS LEWANDOWSKI IS NOT THE PSALM AS A FACT BECOMING KNOWN TO A A FACT BECOMING KNOWN TO A PRESIDENT WHO DOESN’T READ MUCH. PRESIDENT WHO DOESN’T READ MUCH. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTED “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTED AFTER THE WHOLE MUELLER REPORT AFTER THE WHOLE MUELLER REPORT CAME OUT THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD CAME OUT THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD NOT READ IT AND THAT, QUOTE, THE NOT READ IT AND THAT, QUOTE, THE FATES OF WITNESSES WILL DEPEND FATES OF WITNESSES WILL DEPEND IN THE COMING DAYS ON HOW THEY IN THE COMING DAYS ON HOW THEY ARE PORTRAYED ON IT HAVE. ARE PORTRAYED ON IT HAVE. IF COREY LEWANDOWSKI KNOWS ONE IF COREY LEWANDOWSKI KNOWS ONE THING, HE KNOWS HOW TO STAY IN THING, HE KNOWS HOW TO STAY IN DONALD TRUMP’S GOOD GRACES. DONALD TRUMP’S GOOD GRACES. HE MADE A BIG BET THAT SOMEONE HE MADE A BIG BET THAT SOMEONE WHO WORKED SO CLOSELY WITH WHO WORKED SO CLOSELY WITH CANDIDATE TRUMP THROUGHOUT THE CANDIDATE TRUMP THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN THAT HE COULD TRY WHOLE CAMPAIGN THAT HE COULD TRY TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. LIE IN PUBLIC, SHOW DONALD TRUMP LIE IN PUBLIC, SHOW DONALD TRUMP THAT HE WAS LYING FOR HIM, BUT THAT HE WAS LYING FOR HIM, BUT ALSO HIDE FROM DONALD TRUMP THAT ALSO HIDE FROM DONALD TRUMP THAT HE ULTIMATELY, YES, TOLD MUELLER HE ULTIMATELY, YES, TOLD MUELLER THE TRUTH TO PUT IN DONALD THE TRUTH TO PUT IN DONALD TRUMP’S TERMS, THAT HE RATTED ON TRUMP’S TERMS, THAT HE RATTED ON HIM. HIM. COREY LEWANDOWSKI WAS PERFORMING COREY LEWANDOWSKI WAS PERFORMING NOT ONLY ON THE BEAT, NOT ONLY NOT ONLY ON THE BEAT, NOT ONLY LYING TO SUPPORTERS, BUT TRYING LYING TO SUPPORTERS, BUT TRYING TO PROTECT TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT TO PROTECT TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP. TRUMP. NOW HE HAS BEEN, AND THIS IS THE NOW HE HAS BEEN, AND THIS IS THE NEW PART, CONFRONTED WITH THAT NEW PART, CONFRONTED WITH THAT VERY EXCHANGE DURING THIS VERY EXCHANGE DURING THIS HEARING ON PRESIDENT TRUMP HEARING ON PRESIDENT TRUMP YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. SO UNDER OATH, WELL, HE HAD TO SO UNDER OATH, WELL, HE HAD TO COUGH SOMETHING UP. COUGH SOMETHING UP.>>PRIOR TO THE MUELLER REPORT>>PRIOR TO THE MUELLER REPORT BEING PUBLISHED AND REDACTED BEING PUBLISHED AND REDACTED FORM, DID YOU EVER MISREPRESENT FORM, DID YOU EVER MISREPRESENT WHAT YOU DID ON BEHALF OF THE WHAT YOU DID ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT? PRESIDENT?>>I CAN’T THINK OF AN INSTANCE>>I CAN’T THINK OF AN INSTANCE THAT WOULD HAVE OCCURRED. THAT WOULD HAVE OCCURRED.>>I DON’T REMEMBER THE>>I DON’T REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT EVER ASKING ME TO GET PRESIDENT EVER ASKING ME TO GET INVOLVED WITH JEFF SESSIONS OR INVOLVED WITH JEFF SESSIONS OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN ANY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, EVER. WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, EVER.>>DID YOU HEAR THAT, SIR?>>DID YOU HEAR THAT, SIR? THAT WAS YOU SAYING ON MSNBC YOU THAT WAS YOU SAYING ON MSNBC YOU DON’T EVER REMEMBER THE DON’T EVER REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT EVER ASKING YOU TO GET PRESIDENT EVER ASKING YOU TO GET INVOLVED WITH JEFF SESSIONS OR INVOLVED WITH JEFF SESSIONS OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN ANY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. THAT WASN’T TRUE, WAS IT, SIR? THAT WASN’T TRUE, WAS IT, SIR?>>I HEARD THAT.>>I HEARD THAT.>>THAT WAS NOT TRUE.>>THAT WAS NOT TRUE.>>I HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO BE>>I HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO BE HONEST TO THE MEDIA BECAUSE THEY HONEST TO THE MEDIA BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST AS DISHONEST AS ANYBODY ARE JUST AS DISHONEST AS ANYBODY ELSE. ELSE.>>SO YOU WERE ADMITTING YOU>>SO YOU WERE ADMITTING YOU WERE NOT BEING TRUTHFUL IN THAT WERE NOT BEING TRUTHFUL IN THAT CLIP? CLIP?>>CORRECT?>>CORRECT?>>MY INTERVIEW WITH ARI?>>MY INTERVIEW WITH ARI? IT CAN BE INTERPRETED NEW WAY IT CAN BE INTERPRETED NEW WAY YOU LIKE. YOU LIKE.>>YOU ADMITTED ON NATIONAL>>YOU ADMITTED ON NATIONAL TELEVISION YOU WERE LYING. TELEVISION YOU WERE LYING.>>I’M SAYING THEY HAVE BEEN>>I’M SAYING THEY HAVE BEEN INACCURATE ON MANY OCCASIONS. INACCURATE ON MANY OCCASIONS.>>DID YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU>>DID YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT? WANTED TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT?>>NOT TO THE BEST OF MY>>NOT TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION. RECOLLECTION.>>SIR, DID YOU DENY IT BECAUSE>>SIR, DID YOU DENY IT BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO PROTECT YOURSELF? YOU WANTED TO PROTECT YOURSELF?>>NOT TO THE BEST OF MY>>NOT TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION. RECOLLECTION.>>WHY DID YOU LIE ON NATIONAL>>WHY DID YOU LIE ON NATIONAL TELEVISION ABOUT THE SPECIAL TELEVISION ABOUT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S INVESTIGATION? COUNSEL’S INVESTIGATION?>>I DON’T RECALL THAT>>I DON’T RECALL THAT PARTICULAR DAY IN MY MIND AT THE PARTICULAR DAY IN MY MIND AT THE TIME SO I COULDN’T ANSWER THAT. TIME SO I COULDN’T ANSWER THAT.>>THAT’S WHAT A CHECK MATE ON>>THAT’S WHAT A CHECK MATE ON CROSS-EXAMINATION LOOKS LIKE. CROSS-EXAMINATION LOOKS LIKE. AND ACCORDING TO COREY AND ACCORDING TO COREY LEWANDOWSKI’S OWN ADMISSION, LEWANDOWSKI’S OWN ADMISSION, THIS IS HIS ADMISSION SHS THE THIS IS HIS ADMISSION SHS THE ONLY TIME YOU CAN TRUST HIM TO ONLY TIME YOU CAN TRUST HIM TO TELL ANYTHING APPROACHING THE TELL ANYTHING APPROACHING THE TRUTH IS WHEN HE’S SWORN IN AND TRUTH IS WHEN HE’S SWORN IN AND UNDER OATH. UNDER OATH. WHICH IS UNDER THE THREAT OF WHICH IS UNDER THE THREAT OF PERJURY OR GOING TO JAIL, IF YOU PERJURY OR GOING TO JAIL, IF YOU DON’T TELL THE TRUTH. DON’T TELL THE TRUTH.>>ARE YOU A TRUTH TELLER IN>>ARE YOU A TRUTH TELLER IN THAT INTERVIEW? THAT INTERVIEW?>>I’M A TRUTH TELLER EVERY TIME>>I’M A TRUTH TELLER EVERY TIME I STAND BEFORE CONGRESS OR I STAND BEFORE CONGRESS OR COMMITTEE OF JURISDICTION AND COMMITTEE OF JURISDICTION AND RAISE MY HAND AND SWEAR TO GOD RAISE MY HAND AND SWEAR TO GOD UNDER OATH. UNDER OATH.>>THAT IS LITERALLY THE>>THAT IS LITERALLY THE NARROWEST MEASUREMENT YOU COULD NARROWEST MEASUREMENT YOU COULD POSSIBLY TAKE FOR TELLING THE POSSIBLY TAKE FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. TRUTH. IN OTHER WORDS, ANYTHING ELSE IN OTHER WORDS, ANYTHING ELSE WOULD PUT YOU AT RISK OF GOING WOULD PUT YOU AT RISK OF GOING TO JAIL. TO JAIL. WE HAVE INVITED COREY WE HAVE INVITED COREY LEWANDOWSKI TO COME BACK ON THE LEWANDOWSKI TO COME BACK ON THE SHOW IF HE WANTS TO ADDRESS ANY SHOW IF HE WANTS TO ADDRESS ANY OF THIS.

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