Peter Thiel: "Crypto Is Libertarian, AI Is Communist"



self in other words are we still going to be having left-right debates like you were having as undergraduates I was having as an undergraduate in the 1980s or is there going to be a different kind of politics it is going to be a forit Aryan versus democratic is it going to be establishment versus populist growth believers versus stagnation ists how do you think about the the new terminology even of politics it's always hard to say because the I think these technologies don't naturally always map in a very precise way and so making predictions was a treacherous business for Eric Schmidt and it's probably also somewhat treacherous business for us today and in 2018 you know one that one axis that I am struck by sort of the centralization versus decentralization axis and so I think read you just represented the centralization thing where it's all everything happens in one place and then it has to sort of get curated in just the right way so that you know you you have a you know you have a good debate but within the proper limits within the right proper limits and and that's that's the sort of question that happens in a massively centralized context in a more decentralized context that that would perhaps not not happen in quite the same way so for example you know one of the two of the areas of tech that the people are very excited about Silicon Valley today are crypto on the one hand and AI on the other and even though I think these things are under determined I do think these two map you know in a way politically very tightly on this centralization decentralization thing kryptos decentralizing AI is centralizing or if you want to frame it you know more ideologically you could say that crypto is libertarian and AI is communist and of course we always hear only the first half because we're biased to the left but but you know AI is communist in the sense that it's about big data it's about big government's controlling all the data knowing more about you than you know about yourself so baroque rat and Moscow could in fact set the prices of potatoes in a Leningrad and hold you know the whole system together and you know if you look at the you know Chinese Communist Party it loves AI and hates crypto so it actually can actually fits pretty closely on that level and I think that's that's where the that's a purely technological version of this debate and and I do think so you know I think I think there probably are ways that AI could be libertarian and there are ways that crypto could be communist but I think that's harder to do if all the cryptocurrencies are mined in China and Russia that might think there's trying to stop even that at this point can I follow up on the implications of that because I guess in Reed's world of not necessarily AI but some some authority authenticating or validating what is good news moderators but there are authorities that will give the good seal of the seed of Good Housekeeping approval for some sources where as a new more libertarian model presumably through some blockchain decentralized architecture we'll be able to differentiate the fate from what's always well in a centralized world the question emerges and a decentralized one it doesn't emerge as well so so yeah of course the the larger platform companies have it have a challenge along the lines that Reid describes and there's you know it's a it's I would describe it as a two-front war that they have to fight they have to fight on the one hand you know against hate speech fake news you know that whole ensemble of things and then they have to also fight against the people who want to limit speech in a overly narrow speech in the name of fighting fake news and because it's a two-front war it's much more complicated than than just fighting on one front can we talk a little bit in the decentralized world it's much harder to set up kind of like you know it's an interesting thing to say it's libertarian versus communist you could say it's libertarian versus rule of law right it's much harder to set up kind of a yes exactly yes so it's it's actually much harder in the decentralized system to set up rules and norms like for example one of the things that's massive problem in the crypt of community right now is it makes gamergate look you know relatively and it's in the way that it treats women in terms of public discourse and so forth so there's a whole bunch of problems that need to be fixed over there that are much harder to fix in that arena now that being said we're both we both think that the invention of cryptocurrency is a important kind of innovation alongside the internet for allowing a bunch of apps to be developed within the kind of the Internet of money the internet value as a way of doing it so it's neither of us are are negative on cryptocurrency or at least not negative the same way but but that's one of the virtues of the kind of the rule law systems well but but this is always like you could say I would say AI is a much more transparent world and then the quest but the centralized world is more transparent and then the question you could always ask is what's the opposite of transparency is it criminality or is it privacy and you know from the point of view of a centralized state the opposite you know yes it's always you know why why do you want to have secrets why do we not know who you are and what you're doing why do you need privacy if you're doing everything if you're behaving yourself perfectly you have nothing to hide and so but and you're a criminal the only criminal doesn't want to have transparency but I think it can really cut both ways

5 thoughts on “Peter Thiel: "Crypto Is Libertarian, AI Is Communist"

  • Crypto is Libertarian, AI is also libertarian. Communist AI fantasies will be shattered when they ask their future Siris who the best thinker of the 20th century was and she sends them to Murray Rothbard's wikipedia page.

  • Once the decision-making in economy could be done by AI, the bourgeoisie class will not be necessary for the functioning of the economy system. All the decisions in economy activities are made by AI automatically, then approved by a committee of the working class. So capltalism will collapse and socialism will come to reality.

  • The power to know everything about everyone without the possibility for the people to have a similar right over the ones who have it? Is it not what we would call an oppressive regime? What will be the world of tomorrow with this into place? Have not we learned anything from history? And to think men have changed, let me state that Homo sapiens sapiens has not evolved in 10,000 years.

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