Reconciliation 101: Activate Your Journey



thank you everyone again for joining our webinar today and before we get started we would just like to acknowledge that the land on which Canada helps operates is the traditional territory of the Huron when dad and 'putin first nations the Seneca and the Mississauga's of the Credit River Toronto is home to indigenous and non-indigenous people from across Turtle Island and we are grateful to have the opportunity to work in this community and on this land my name is Sandra and I'm a digital marketing associate at canadahelps today I have the pleasure of introducing Chris Archie executive director of the circle on philanthropy and Aboriginal peoples in Canada who will be presenting today's webinar on reconciliation and indigenous peoples our teams have partnered together not only to produce this webinar but also to Co publish our reconciliation a call to action for Canadians blog series which is published on the Canada helps giving life blog of the part of the series we take a closer look at the commitment momentum and urgency of reconciliation a topic which we will be exploring today during this webinar later Chris will be joined by Kevin McCourt president and chief executive officer at the Vancouver foundation for a conversation as Kevin will share his personal community related and professional experiences in engaging and reconciliation for those of you who are new to Canada helps Canada helps as a social enterprise focused on helping charities we provide charities with open access to our affordable online fundraising platform and training so they can better connect with the people who support them and for donors we offer a one stop shop for donating and fundraising for any registered Canadian charity online since 2000 over 1.5 million Canadians have donated through Canada helps and together we've raised 780 million in donations okay you see it's live yet we're all good thanks folks okay so as the slide says the circle aims to be an open space for dead and non-indigenous people working together and social change to learn and and tomorrow we're watching the Thurman bird dream appreciation series with 150 Occidental Asian dining sir DJ and Sarah Parker home of the badges to their list of ways to engage in reconciliation one of the things that we add the circle is we have an artisan profit community the the honor things the communities that version of action and so we can focus our learning journey around these six pieces that you see on the screen till then remember understand and acknowledge to participate and act hi there's me that's my smiling face as it said my name is Chris I'm its equipment self a woman from Cesc impersonation this work is really important to me because not only is about seeing increased investment and indigenous legwork and about building partnership between indigenous and non-indigenous folks here in Canada but it's also important to me because I'm a mother and an indigenous woman this work of reconciliation is a lived everyday experience for me and so I'm just really pleased that in the work that I do in the world and I'm able to also find some real personal and values alignment so thank you allowing it to be over learning mmm pardon together you so stop up the staff the apathy of the difficulty relates to our shared history here in Canada catch me off-guard but here we go go back into it okay so the truth in reconciliation and I've been informed that for the past 100 years indigenous children were removed from their families and sent the institutions called medium eventual schools these government founded in church run schools were located across Canada and it established with the purpose to eliminate mental and spiritual cultural and intellectual development of indigenous children the residential school closed in the mid 1990s during is Captain Canadian history more than 150,000 First Nations Metis and Inuit children were 40 schools some of those hundreds of miles from their home the impact of these Indian Residential schools is a little history of unresolved trauma passed from generation to generation and have had profound between indigenous and other Canadian politics first of all peoples aren't very to revitalize relationship with reconciliation all it's the process that takes commitment milk chance we will have far stronger and greater nation DubLi reconciliation because real moment time King this year 2017 is 150th year Canada's Confederation here the chance to really think through how it could change the direction our conversation and our relationship with one another this is really an opportunity to create a society where all people see merge in space in the digging and E at respect animals move board become necessary to take a step back sometimes it's about taking it step back and slowing down indigenous we'll have the capacity and knowledge to lead being the positive change on they hadn't gave you we're going square however this work is not just for indigenous Canadians all folks need to think about the listen and ask questions along the way mending the relationship between indigenous and non-indigenous communities needs value to be placed on the culture and the experience and knowledge of indigenous peoples Oh recognizing that changing the colors that are pressed has to be a stage values in a place of learning and our collective path together so although recognize that there is a real eagerness for individuals to begin the work of reconciliation as mentioned previously it's really key that the topic declaration for action also reminds us to do to do some learning you recognize shared history and also you know before taking action take time to understand the deep historical roots of conflict between indigenous and non-indigenous both here there are inherent by past experience that must be unraveled and willfully understand it – paid in reconciliation and fully great framework or in getting it through a process of learning we believe that you live in understanding personal connection and then can creation so that you're able to move forward in a good thing so some of the thinking that you've been doing with the circle is recognizing that before many organizations go into a place of beginning to work about you know doing three and in their in their workspaces but we need to confess of opportunities for thinking on a level outfit that we have add as individuals find personal connection to the work of our shared history additionally we want to make sure that the folks kind of walk into a work setting and start chatting about what it is that they're learning and how they totally want to change in offices that they take time to debate some language and understanding with their family and inside of their community we think it's a beginning of your inner circle because those are less fifty you know both invigorating and challenging conversations that are important to have not only that but thinking through how to have these conversations with your children provide us adults with opportunities to go slowly and mindfully and think carefully about a language we're using all the while building up our own capacity to have conversations and to do this learning and finally we feel it part of the pathway that we we want to continue inviting folks into is and specifically for those of you as donors we'd like to see that that once you've done some kind of personal and some family community focus work that you're able to think through what it means is a donor to give to indigenous let and indigenous focused organizations and that you use the category on Canada that helps to also guide your donation here we are my next slide I there we go this is a familiar fellow Kevin McCourt is the CEO of an Akula foundation kevin McCourt was appointed to the president heir to the presidency in September of 2013 he brings with him a wealth of energy and 30 years of experience Kevin McCourt was also a previous employer of my own not long before I came to the circle and I worked at thanks to her foundation and what I've always appreciated about Kevin is that because of his work in international development he brings a very I'm nuanced understanding you know witnessed some of the ways of recreation exists in the world through action and work in non-profit in and philosophy so I'm just really excited Kevin to have you join us here today thanks Paris really pleased to be here with you so I'll just let folks out in the intranet know this is an interesting way for Evan and I to have conversation we do occupy and an office building some office building and have a lot of ability to chat pretty comfortably with each other in the same room however for this conversation we're in very different spaces and so please you know bear with us as we work through this more unnatural conversation here over the Internet okay well to get started Kevin I've just would like for more about well what was your first step in engaging reconciliation and how did it get sparked it's an interesting question because the the first real spark in Canada was the walk for reconciliation that happened in Vancouver in September of 2013 it was essentially two weeks after I started on the job at Vancouver Foundation and I was encouraged by the staff to join them at the walk and it was really an extraordinary day 70,000 people turned up in the streets right outside our office in the absolute pouring rain to demonstrate their solidarity their interest their willingness to stand up for reconciliation and to be Aldens that makes a pretty fun impression on an effort to a city when you see so many people stepping out into a conversation but for me was was very much a new honor as you mentioned it spent 25 years working in international development around the world and often was involved in work with indigenous populations whether it's in Botswana or Peru or Vietnam but that international focus had really I suppose enabled me in some respects to pay less attention to what was happening in Canada but that walk for reconciliation really was a an extraordinary moment and it's the first spark that that started me on the journey of reconciliation in Canada thanks for sharing that that was quite a moment in time I'll take this moment as well to just let folks know that the there is another Walker reconciliation happening on the 24th I believe so we'll make sure that we share information if you're in and/or around Vancouver and in the area I highly recommend that you engage in that that event so and you've done international development work you've seen you know a lot of injustice and you know a lack of equity in the world of your if this work we talk about the experience of being on that walk can you share with us you know just kind of personally ample suppression aliy when you've experienced discomfort through your journey learning more about reconciliation be a long conversation because I experienced discovered on a regular basis the I suppose the a couple of examples to make it more real the we had our honorary Governor's Council was meeting this is recently actually and we had one member of the council talking about how he was persecuting indigenous people and their experienced post residential schools and it was clear he had a perception that it was really something that people could you know he's probably heard this before could get over and and kind of move on their lives and that made all of us uncomfortable room but what was it was an opportunity for conversation and so what we find in these moments when someone and this is where we're actually it's hard it's uncomfortable you know part of you wishes man I wish he didn't say that but on the other hand you're thinking well this has to be a teachable moment has to be a learnable moment Harv indigenous colleagues that were in the room were incredibly graceful and responsive in response which helps all of us and it was it was an opportunity to take which which could have been an opportunity to just ignore or gloss over an opportunity to have a real conversation and it's so yeah they've been uncomfortable in many ways but what I've found has helped me and this something I learned a long time ago is that when you're uncomfortable say so and I had a opportunity one of our board members and friends of ours friends of many of us Paul Lacerte was on our board and I said to Paul you know Paul I'm often uncomfortable in this context I'm afraid I'm going to say the wrong thing I'm afraid I you know what I don't know will make me look ignorant on insensitive and and Paul's response as well Kevin you know I'm often uncomfortable myself dealing with you know people like you settlers that said I'm uncomfortable I have the same sense of am I going to offend am I going to make the situation worse and so the two of us agreed we would be each other's sounding board for discomfort and and that is something that I think is very helpful if you can find somebody in your your life in your circle where you can you can say I'm uncomfortable and this is why and you've shared that level of trust with them that they're able to do that with you personally that for me was a great great help in that you know navigating situations of discomfort that you can you can actually learn to say I'm uncomfortable and that helps a conversation about about moving through thank you for that that is a really clear action you know tax to pay attention to the discomfort and how it might show up even in our own bodies and and like you said taking the opportunity to do make that at each bomb and actually just naming the discomfort and allowing for the wisdom in the room to help inform very you know I think that that's a very key aspect to how folks can bring this up not only in a professional setting but in a personal you know life setting yeah and one of the reasons I like the approach and this is was actually taught to me way is that by starting off with saying how how something makes you feel how it it actually you're not attacking someone else's position you're starting off with a reflection of this I'm uncomfortable something about this is making you start off with be actually sounds counterintuitive but you start off by saying how how it affects you and that opens up the conversation for others to start from that space much more my experience and much more productive approach than saying you know what you're saying is wrong that tends to be an opening gambit in a conversation that that usually ends poorly but by starting off by naming the discomfort in yourself it opens up a conversation of expresses some it you know we're all taught that the vulnerability is often the first step in learning so acknowledge that in yourself don't be afraid to share it and to name it and the conversations tend to be much richer and much more constructive afterwards great you know the first thought I had you know just when you were speaking was about you know how might you have dealt with the situation had the person hearing you responded with a message like I don't care that's in the past that's not my problem do you have some you know either experience or some reflections on you know in those kinds of spaces which I believe many people face in in personal and professional space is often how might you respond then that's a scenario I've actually been dealing with for many many years and I'll you know some of my international work we would be working in communities where the issue was really focusing on women's empowerment and you might see a in a in a country they the men saying you know this is not an interest of ours we're quite happy with the way things are and and to start whether it's reconciliation or women's empowerment or any of the the rights that that you may take in a rights-based approach to start off arguing about the rights tends to lead you nowhere so our my approach is to step back and talk to people about you know what are your dreams and aspirations for your community what do you want to accomplish what you know come at it from a very different perspective and then move on to and this takes time it's not as something that can be done in a minute but then talk about well if those are your dreams and aspirations what's what's stopping you from achieving them what barriers might you need to overcome and eventually you can get to conversations where people will say and recognize that you know our community can't be whole and all members are participating in that and that my aspirations are not being met and you start people start to realize it because they're their entire communities not not engaged with them so it's a long and a roundabout way but it is ultimately a very constructive way of reaching reaching the point where where you're really guiding and facilitating a journey of learning about how a community where members of that community are excluded are not participating are you know being held outside community that doesn't work for even that person themselves that they're enlightened self-interest to use a kind of an overused phrase is a way to approach this but it there are weaknesses in that approach as well because we it's you know the universal eyes to all and you don't need to you shouldn't need to back into that conversation you should be able to approach it head-on but in my experience sometimes a little more nuanced approach a little more roundabout way to get to the point in the long run is more effective great thank you I think that's a that's a very interesting notion that that where we can actually begin from this may being the hot song with a direct statement into the world you know this passage for reconciliation but I have an entry point people to express their deepest desires for the community that they want to live in I think that's very useful and I think particularly in a world of gold I think that's a wise action so on a you know we talked to so this is you know mostly been focused have been on work them to go back middle path part of the pathway which is really just like the comedy you might have had with your kids only invigorate this conversation in those years of your life yeah that's been interesting and fun you know my family history my father's side emigrated to Southern Ontario in the early 1800s even late seventeen hundreds don't exactly sure and settled in southern Ontario and slowly worked their way north not very far north in today's terms but from you know at the edge of Lake Ontario the edges of Lake Huron and Georgian Bay and so that family history is one that was he and he raided with the settlement of Ontario by by farming communities and the displacement of indigenous communities over over many years and my family are farmers so they're farming land in what we now know which I didn't know it when I was growing up is in treaty eighteen lands in Ontario and so we have these conversations as we learn things and we always knew as a family that our land was the land that we farmed was indigenous land but we knew it in the sense of geography we knew it like we knew our postal code there are a lot in concession number we didn't know it as Aniston item of history or sociology or of impact and it's you know having that conversation about the the land you grew up on and and who was there before you and how they were displaced those are our conversations that really change the nature of of reflection and in many cases the way that we you know give thanks for what we what we have my mother's family emigrated to Canada from Holland after World War two so and also settled as farmers in southern Ontario so lots of migration newcomers welcoming stories my mother's family was not welcomed by the settler community that was there in the 40s and the 50s eventually it's a lots of interesting conversations though my kids on the other hand are they I think they often would look at me and and my parents as unfortunate that we had to learn these things as adults whereas they my kids are certainly the curriculums in North Vancouver have been changed over the years they're often I think in many respects ahead of me and the rest of our family and understanding both the elements of the history but also just ways of living with diversity and ways of accepting and valuing the diversity that they that they grow up with in this day and age that wasn't so common in my youth and certainly in my parents but it's been and all the other you know we spend some of our summers in Quebec in an area that is Anishinabe territory it's just south of the kittykins ooby reserve area in in Quebec so it you know no matter where we are we have a conversation about the land that where we find ourselves on and what its history is and how our family interacts with that and so in lobsters there's never a shortage of chances to have a conversation about what you know as you pointed out earlier to learn and reflect what's the history how does our family interrelate with that and ultimately what can we do in our behaviors and attitudes going forward that will make it even easier for our kids to be you know reconciling in their lives I think that that's a that's a in a lot of ways quite a common story folks recognising or coming to recognize after being kind of original settlers and I say original and air quotations when there was an influx of immigration into you know Canada when people were given allotments of land for farming and for agricultural development and production and just recently here in British Columbia there was a farmer who read Eve did his original a lot of farm lands back the indigenous communities from which it originally was stewarded by and just last week when I was in Toronto I heard a similar you know reflection and a story from Patricia Thompson of the Atkinson Foundation and sharing about you know what it means to come to understand and know the true history of the plot of land that was that was given for settling you know for intentional settling you know in a in a farming or an agricultural cent and the way in which folks are coming to build relationships with indigenous folks more locally to do that work so thank you for sharing that I can imagine I mean at least I I know that this is a reality in the conversations that I have here at home with my own son my son is 17 I imagine that either through you or your children you've had to have conversations about racism and about you know witnessing it acknowledging it and or you know possibly recognizing when you you participated in it you know like booly booly walks about with a notion that we have racism in our teeth sometimes you just have a little bit it's stuck in our teeth it pops out and you need to kind of be reminded that it's there so could you share with us kind of how you navigate those uncomfortable situations or share a story of that for sure and I know I would I don't want to repeat what I was saying earlier about how naming the discomfort is useful but naming their racism is useful when it happens but again so I'll tell us story well I worked for care for many years Care Canada International Development charity working we were working in you know 85 countries around the world and at one point I was I was when I was a CEO in Ottawa one of hours that our staff launched a human rights complaint against us and claiming that we were a racist organization and I was really astounded by that I thought what on earth how how could this possibly happen that someone felt that we were a racist organization in our hiring practices when and on the surface you look at the organization you think how could that possibly be but yeah it was a so very uncomfortable situation and it didn't go all the way to the tribe you know we had to we said let's just talk about that something has clearly went off the rails with this person and they've come to this conclusion that our our we're you're a racist organization so you can imagine how personally I was fronted by this but what when you I guess it goes back to maybe Louie's statement is that it's only sometimes when you're when someone challenges you that you might realize oh you know I'm not I'm not doing as much like there may be racism is a bit over the top in terms of the charge but the maybe we're not doing everything we can do to be as reflective of our practices that we're you know look for those things that you do that maybe are unconsciously creating barriers to people of all abilities and backgrounds and and interest to be to participate in your organization so it's a very extraordinary moment for me in it so it's made me I've carried it with me for years at thinking that you know be reflective what what are you doing consciously or unconsciously encourage people to challenge you that that if they set up a set an environment where if people feel that there are practices that you're doing that are creating blockages or there are things you could do that positive practices be open to that because the no one I certainly found that a for me a very strong learning moment hope that it's changed the practices that I employ as a leader of organizations but it you know I think it's always helpful perhaps when you're thinking of addressing racism to just to imagine the times when when people have called you out in that respect as opposed to the times when when you've seen somebody else do it like make it personal realize that we're all we're all now us are perfect that we have our weaknesses but don't be afraid to be challenged because once you address them you're a better person and a better organization as a result great thank you thank you for sharing that so our final question before we kind of open the floor to the bevy of questions available to us by our lovely viewers and can you share a little bit about how you approached the Canada is hundred and fiftieth celebrations as someone who is kind of actively engaged well personally and professionally in reconciliation yes because that's a journey to you know like certainly myself I'm thinking well I was you know give away my age I was I was two years old in 1967 so I wasn't around for that but I heard all this excitement about Canada when it was a hundred and I thought oh you know my first reaction was Oh Canada turning 150 it'll be exciting and then that kind of first very superficial level and then very before I could probably say that publicly my indigenous friends and the conversations are like a there's another perspective here and and I think before I could embarrass myself with kind of unguided enthusiasm I was quickly reminded that it's it's an acknowledgement of an act of Parliament and an active of Confederation but there it really has to be a moment where we use that to talk about a much broader conversation so I was I was very helpfully you know course directed early on in process to look at Canada's one hundred and fiftieth very much as a point in time where you can reflect on on the past and but ultimately use your reflections on what the past is 150 plus as people are saying in Vancouver to really say what do we want the future to be and who do we want to being involved in shaping that future so that was a helpful correction and they it certainly informed how I think about Vancouver foundation you know Thank You Burt foundation itself turns 75 next year and so we're looking and I'm watching and converse conversing with people about you know Canada 115 Thank You foundation 75 let's adopt a similar approach and looking at that not our birthday as the purpose of a celebration but our birthday as an opportunity to look back at what what historical stream are we part of as an institution and and who are we going to work with to focus on you know the graphs are next 75 years so the I think it's been a conversation that has been company quite enriched at first take 150 as a moment in time is 2017 let's let's have a historical rich conversation of learning pay a little less attention to the actual number of years that but focus really on the future that's a fantastic reflection bad that wouldn't it be kind of quite amazing and exciting that you know this idea of Canada one hundred and fiftieth year of Confederation actually sparks and continues to sustain a more national conversation and and the shift in behaviors and attitudes that actually allow us to look back on this and in years and said those were the days in which we started to as a country and as folks indigenous and non-indigenous living here were ready to face our true history and ready to come to a place of being in a relationship in a very different way and so there is something kind of very interesting about marking it and hoping it signifies the the +150 plus as you mentioned going forward thank you for that thank you so much for this conversation I am sure that it'll be the first of many down the road and before I close out with you and hand it over just are there any other comments you'd like to make Kevin well I just a note oh thanks to you Chris because when I joined the foundation you were certainly one of the people that helped me learn and navigate your your work thank you for Foundation helped us all and just a personal note of thanks and your your new role at the circle is one where I offer you as you know all of my support in that role but you really just wanted to thank you and into it publicly and on this webinar about how much of a leader you have been in this space and how much I've learned from you thank you thank you for that Kevin awesome thank you so much Chris and Kevin to you both for that incredibly incredibly thought-provoking interview and as Chris had mentioned for our audience we are going to take a minute and allow our audience members to enter in any additional questions for Chris and for Kevin so we're just going to switch back over to my screen now and we will get ready for some questions you all right Chris are you there Creek I'm here hey awesome so we did have some questions that already rolled in if you're ready we can start tackling a few of them right on let's do this awesome so the first question we had that came in was so how can we best be allies with indigenous peoples how can non indigenous peoples voice and show their support for the reconciliation process and what can we do to help it move it forward is the great question and it's a question that it could spend the entire webinar thing they are a couple of first things that come to my mind but what I'd learned and this question over at Kevin as a as a settler as a non-indigenous Canadian Idol 8 to hear from him his thoughts and I can add more but thankfully it a couple seconds to do space from Krishna me it gives me time that question but I think ultimately you know what do we do to work that's what making friends you know whether it's Chris or Paula cert or Sophie Pierre or people that I've met through work friends some of my kids friends they I see it starts with with really personal connections and I think for many Canadians they might think well how am I gonna find a friend in this context I a lot of people don't know or don't realize they know indigenous people and I would really start there and try and find people that you can learn and so reach out to organizations reach out to networks book clubs wherever you think you can find and start personally to see and then and then as organizations so many on the four on the call on the webinar may be working with organizations there's a lot of things you can do proactively as organizations to address hiring governance practices how we how we show up and talk something that has been for me very important in this space has been the acknowledgement of the land and the conversations about and making that very public so a couple of ideas there but start with with friends start personally or think and publicly thank you awesome thank you so much Kevin for that we do have another question here Chris if you're ready yeah I actually just want to add a couple of extra things to it Kevin said there yeah go for it so so the making friends is very important but I think it's also key to not kind of go out into the world and try and and you know collect indigenous people to help inform you you know if you come to a place in your life where you can build that natural relationship like you were able to do I think that's quite a gift however before you even begin to engage with indigenous communities there's a whole range of really specific things you could do your own research take the time to actually read the indian act take a look at and read through the Truth and Reconciliation commissions calls to action and for those of you who are involved in the philanthropic sector also take the time to look at the philanthropic declaration for action there are a whole range of opportunities in that reading alone to begin Thanks excellent actually our second question ties perfectly into what you just mentioned which is what can nonprofits in particulars start to do to activate the reconciliation yeah so I would say my first my first thoughts was to do the thing that I just mentioned I think additionally where possible take the time to provide training and and space for conversations related to understanding anti oppression to allowing staff and board members and others to participate in experiential activities that help them understand and make an empathic connection to the work of to the to the real history and and not just to the history of Indian Residential school but really to this broad long history of white supremacy in Canada we need to understand that together in order to unpack and then work together to create some shifts in behavior excellent yeah just even to expand on that we haven't like a few people actually asking a similar question one is from the public health sector another is works at an art gallery and another works at a library so kind of what are what would you say is like the first kind of steps towards getting their own business or workplaces involved in reconciliation we mentioned the the inish in it will if you're in a workplace and you have the ability to provide opportunities for your staff or board members to engage in a personal exercise of reflection and thinking about their connection to this history I think that's very valuable additionally the TRC does call on public institutions and a to acknowledge the ways in which they can't date they perpetuate the harm and injustice and so the TRC calls for action is a very clear kind of map I think for public institutions to take a look at and I'll hand over to Kevin for additional thoughts thanks Chris I think there's some very I really would reiterate the reading the TRC calls to action and and I think the nonprofit and the charitable sector needs to recognize that we are not called out explicitly and directly in the calls to action but that's not an excuse to say it doesn't apply to me you know it to calls our calls on government to do this and it called on the church to do that and etcetera etc within those calls are gonna be all too much we can do that I'm not reading it you know that it's that the justice system but man my organization can really do something there is a way to approach it there's also some various great things that we've been involved with that one was we call them kitchen table dialogues and processes reconciliation Canada and our staff helped us through these pro their their actual processes that organizations can do with their staff to to learn and explore another one I would really recommend looking into is the Kairos blanket exercise so there are there are exercises you can do and and processes and template that organizations can follow that they can engage their themselves there staff in their partners – yes Christmas kind of experiential that you're you yeah read and do the intellectual work but it's nice to have these other exercises where people are actively involved and engaged and learning in a different way excellent thank you so much Kevin so just moving on to the next question here going in a little bit of a different direction what role do non-indigenous youth including young children so starting from an early age have to play in the reconciliation process well I like this question because it reminds me of the calm of the statement that Kevin made about his own – they're feeling bad narration because we just you know people didn't know what they didn't know and I actually feel incredibly hopeful about this next generation of young people and young leaders because in the work that I've done kind of presently in the path I've been so privileged to bear witness to the ways in which racialized newcomers who are great young people and and and settler young people are really digging in to learn the history and you know I was just having a conversation very early this morning about with a colleague for whom I've done a lot of youth work alongside over the past 15 years and we we just had this total beautiful moment of acknowledgement that the young people that we're working with more and more have some amazing critical analysis and are very deeply involved in building genuine relationships or you know through school and through their extracurricular activities and I think that those genuine relationships are what will help contribute to the kind of country that really acknowledges that shared history and also continues to make for more space for indigenous peoples here yes just eleven example I was at thank you foundation we have our program called fresh voices and it is focusing on their priorities and ideas of refugee youth we had opportunity to display the meeting to the voices team in the Ministry of Citizenship and so we were able but we were also than happy to kind of get out of the way a constitution that renewed left me lost in Jeter's because I was so happy and see the passion and enthusiasm that the group Express the path day one Volta billion Chanda based on principles of reconciliation of inclusion and and justice it was just stunning and so you come out of that thinking both profoundly supposes a generational perspective is you know into a right approach you just you're left with the overwhelming sense that man do whatever we can to step aside and let young people have that space that that we might be taking and and inadvertently preventing their wisdom from being revealed so it was an inspirational moment one other thing that I would add is that for folks who are donors and looking to figure out how they may invest fun in nexuiz were empty but look at how witnessed over the years is that when you invest in the the leadership and the development of young people especially those who are traditional and marginalized and those who are indigenous the kind of return on investment is that we get degrees and please we want to live in and can take more pride in excellent thank you both so much but we do we are running a little bit low on time here so we're going to take just one more question hopefully we can get it done in the next minute or so and this one is in regards to cultural appropriation so the question is is if I purchase or wear or display you know art works done by indigenous peoples is that considered cultural appropriation and how can you learn more about this so I'm gonna invite Kevin to do a first answer on this thanks Chris my kids my kids call me out on this all the time actually they're more sensitive than than I am but my approach is I my that's a really tricky question I have been the recipient of some presents and some gifts from indigenous friends of mine which I am so proud of having and showing and using so I think that's one that's my I've been so I'm not worried in that context of being culturally appropriate because they've been gifts to me freely given encouraged me to use and celebrate so that so I'm pretty cautious in that respective times I have to work in that realm and and have and share and and be proud of the gifts I've received probably pretty tentative in terms of and brownie very respectful of this question because it's one that I'm still working through and still learning about but I've been I have I have a few gifts that I treasure deeply what I would add to that piece thank you for that Kevin is that there are a whole host of amazing young indigenous and non-indigenous folks who are tackling this very conversation and so it is a sim as googling that kind of a question putting in the context of being in Canada while I might this not be a good idea and then take the time to read and understand what it is that people are saying and to be in conversation with others about it fantastic thank you so much Chris for that and thank you Kevin as well for the input there so we are wrapping up our webinar presentation today and I believe there is a couple more slides left would you like to share Chris me yes in Houston for this just a reminder and an invitation to folks that tomorrow we are having another webinar you know I feel kind of bad that canadahelps had to deal with my left me behavior today reconciliate a a year 350 PD so we're really looking for Andy Libby to move others into that and we will follow a similar mode in inviting inviting individuals to think of along a pathway that is both engaging your your personal kind of family and community life and connection and bridging into your professional experiences so for that thank you and just make sure that you know that you can continue to email your questions your reflections along your journey our information is there please continue to keep this conversation alive around your boardroom tables with your families and in the work that you do fantastic thank you so much Chris looks like we're just past three o'clock we're all out of time so thank you again Chris and of course to our audience who made it out today to listen to this webinar we really appreciate it and of course to our listeners please remember to continue the conversation online with the hashtag reconciliation in action alright thanks everybody

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