The National for August 5, 2019 — U.S. Mass Shootings, Gun Control, Toronto Gun Violence


(*)>>Rosemary: TONIGHT, THE PRESIDENT DENOUNCES RACISM BUT WILL ANYTHING CHANGE?>>President Donald Trump: OUR NATION MUST CONDEMN RACISM, BIGOTRY, AND WHITE SUPREMACY.>>Rosemary: NO PROMISES FOR NEW GUN CONTROL AS TWO CITIES MOURN AND THE DEATH TOLL RISES. WHAT CAN BE DONE TO STOP THESE SHOOTERS BEFORE THEY TURN VIOLENT. (*)>>THIS IS NOT A NORMAL WEEKEND IN THE CITY OF TORONTO.>>Ian: A DOZEN SHOOTINGS IN JUST THREE DAYS BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE SPIKE IN VIOLENCE IN CANADA’S BIGGEST CITY? (*)>>WE’RE CONCERNED FOR THE FUTURE.>>Rosemary: THE ESSENTIAL CANCER DRUGS RUNNING DANGEROUSLY LOW IN CANADA. CAN PATIENTS AFFORD TO WAIT?>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>>MORE GRIEF TODAY HEAPED ON WHERE THERE WAS SO MUCH ALREADY. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED IN THIS WEEKEND’S MASS SHOOTINGS IN THE U.S. HAS CLIMBED. THE TOTAL LIVES LOST NOW — 31. EL PASO, TEXAS, DAYTON, OHIO, BOTH JUST THE LATEST AMERICAN CITIES TO SUFFER THE AFTERMATH OF A MASS SHOOTING. IN THEM NOW AND BEYOND THEM THE PUSH FOR CHANGE TO FIND SOME WAY TO PREVENT THE NEXT MASS MURDER FROM HAPPENING IS HEATING UP. DONALD TRUMP IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.>>President Donald Trump: WE ARE OUTRAGED AND SICKENED BY THIS MONSTROUS EVIL, THE CRUELTY, THE HATRED, THE MALICE, THE BLOODSHED, AND THE TERROR.>>Rosemary: TRYING TO QUIET HIS CRITICS, HE CONDEMNED HATE AND WHITE SUPREMACY TODAY, BOTH APPARENT MOTIVATIONS FOR THE MAN WHO OPENED FIRE IN AN EL PASO WALMART ON SATURDAY. THE NUMBER OF DEAD IN THAT ATTACK ROSE TODAY TO 22. THEY INCLUDE SEVERAL MEXICANS AND ONE GERMAN. THE CRIME SCENE IS STILL BEING COMBED THROUGH. THE SHOOTER IS STILL COOPERATING WITH POLICE. AND TRUMP IS NOW PLANNING TO VISIT THERE ON WEDNESDAY. KIM BRUNHUBER SHOWS US THAT HE’LL FIND A CITY STEEPED IN GRIEF AND FEAR.>>Reporter: LETTER BY LETTER, TONY BASCO SPELLS OUT THE NAME OF HIS BELOVED MARGIE. SHE WENT SHOPPING AND NEVER CAME HOME. NOW HER NAME GOES UP ON A CROSS. I’M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.>>I NEVER, EVER EXPECTED. WE GOT OVER 22 YEARS TOGETHER. IT’S A SHOCK. BECAUSE I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG. BUT SHE IS IN A GOOD PLACE NOW.>>Reporter: THE GRIM PROCESSION BEGIN. BASCO CARRIES THE CROSS TO THE MEMORIAL JUST ACROSS FROM THE WALMART IN WHICH MARGIE WAS KILLED. BUT WHAT IS STRIKING IS HOW LONG THE PROCESSION OF CROSSES TAKES, THERE IS JUST THAT MANY. EL PASO IS A BIG CITY, BUT TO THE HISPANIC RESIDENTS THAT MAKE UP 80% OF THIS CITY, IT FEELS LIKE A SMALL COMMUNITY. ANNA BELL REYES’ FRIEND FROM CHEERLEADING CAMP JUST LOST HER MOM IN THE SHOOTING. HER BROTHER IBRAHIM LAYS THE WREATH. HIS MOM HAS NO ANSWERS.>>WE SEE THIS HAPPEN IN OTHER PLACES AND WE PRAY FOR THOSE OTHER PLACES BUT WHEN IT HITS HOME IT REALLY, REALLY HURTS. THERE’S A LOT OF HATE THAT HAPPENED IN THE CRIME, YOU KNOW? SO IT’S JUST — IT’S UNREAL.>>Reporter: SO THEY COME HERE WITH THEIR LOVED ONES TO LAY FLOWERS AND LIGHT CANDLES AND HOPE THEY WON’T BE THE NEXT TARGETS OF HATE. GUN CONTROL, WHITE SUPREMACY, DONALD TRUMP, MOST HERE DON’T WANT TO BE DRAWN INTO A POLITICAL DISCUSSION, BUT THE FEAR IS THERE. IT’S REAL.>>I’M NOT GOING TO LIE, I WAS FEARFUL FOR COMING OUT HERE. BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. WE HAVE TO KEEP ON GOING AND NOT LET THIS INCIDENT DEFINE US.>>SPELL OUT HIS NAME FOR ME.>>Reporter: ANOTHER VICTIM BECOMES KNOWN. A FRIEND READS THE NAME TO GREG ZANIAS. HE’S TRAVELLED THE COUNTRY SINCE 1977 BUILDING CROSSES FOR VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE, 200 AND COUNTING. SOON THIS ONE WILL JOIN THE OTHERS. THEN ZANIAS SAYS HE’S OFF TO DAYTON, OHIO, WITH MORE NAMES, MORE CROSSES. KIM BRUNHUBER, CBC NEWS, EL PASO, TEXAS.>>Rosemary: IN DAYTON, MIXED IN WITH THE GRIEF, SO MANY QUESTIONS. THE BIG ONE, WHAT DROVE THE SHOOTER THERE TO PULL THE TRIGGER AT ALL? NINE PEOPLE WERE KILLED WHEN A GUNMAN ATTACKED THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT OVERNIGHT ON SUNDAY. POLICE RELEASED NEW DETAILS ON WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CHAOS AND HOW MUCH WORSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN.>>IF ALL OF THE MAGAZINE MAGAZINES THAT WE RECOVERED FROM THE SUSPECT WERE COMPLETELY FULL HE WOULD HAVE HAD A MAXIMUM OF 250 ROUNDS IN HIS POSSESSION AT THE TIME.>>Rosemary: 250 BULLETS IN THE HANDS OF THE MAN WHO SHOWED UP ON THAT DAYTON STREET WITH BODY ARMOUR, A MASK AND CLEARLY A WILL TO KILL. A SIGN OF HOW BAD THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN. OTHER NUMBERS PROVE HOW BAD IT WAS.>>(gunshots).>>Rosemary: POLICE SAID TODAY THAT CONNOR BETTS FIRED AT LEAST 41 SHOTS INTO THE CROWD. OFFICERS FIRED AT LEAST 65 BACK. IT TOOK 30 SECONDS TO BRING HIM DOWN. IN THAT TIME NINE DEAD, 14 OTHERS HIT, MORE INJURED IN THE CHAOS.>>I JUST REMEMBER SEEING BODIES AND SHEETS, YOU KNOW, JUST RIDDLED ALL OVER THE SIDEWALK.>>IT’S FUNDAMENTALLY PROBLEMATIC TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF WEAPONRY IN A CIVILIAN ENVIRONMENT.>>Rosemary: AS TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT MOTIVATED THE SHOOTER, STILL NO ANSWERS TODAY. NOR TO WHETHER HE INTENDED TO KILL HIS SISTER, ONE OF THE VICTIMS.>>IT SEEMS TO JUST DEFY BELIEVABILITY THAT HE WOULD SHOOT HIS OWN SISTER. IT’S ALSO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT HE DIDN’T RECOGNIZE THAT WAS HIS SISTER.>>Rosemary: FORMER CLASSMATES SAID HE ONCE CREATED A HIT LIST IN SCHOOL. TODAY POLICE CAUTIONED AGAINST TRYING TO INFER TOO MUCH FROM SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 10 YEARS AGO. MEANWHILE AT THE SITE OF THE SHOOTING TODAY ANGUISH ON DISPLAY AS PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT SEEMS SO SENSELESS. SO MUCH GRIEF AND ANGER HAS AGAIN IGNITED CALLS FOR STRICTER GUN CONTROLS IN THE U.S. AND GIVEN THE APPARENT RACIST MOTIVE OF THE EL PASO SHOOTER IT ALSO HAS POLITICIANS CONDEMNING WHITE SUPREMACY AND HATE, INCLUDING AS WE MENTIONED OFF THE TOP, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. HERE’S PETER ARMSTRONG.>>Reporter: IN A LOT OF WAYS THERE ARE TWO DONALD TRUMPS. THERE’S THE ONE THAT GETS FIRED UP AND SPEAKS OFF THE CUFF AT RALLIES. AND THE MORE RARE SCRIPTED TRUMP, THE ONE THAT WE SAW TODAY.>>President Donald Trump: GOOD MORNING. IN ONE VOICE OUR NATION MUST CONDEMN RACISM, BIGOTRY AND WHITE SUPREMACY. THESE SINISTER IDEOLOGIES MUST BE DEFEATED. HATE HAS NO PLACE IN AMERICA. HATRED WARPS THE MIND, RAVAGES THE HEART, AND DEVOURS THE SOUL.>>Reporter: THE LANGUAGE STANDS OUT BECAUSE IT STANDS IN SUCH CONTRAST TO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE’VE COME TO EXPECT FROM THE PRESIDENT.>>President Donald Trump: THIS IS AN INVASION. THEY’RE RAPISTS. BUT HOW DO YOU STOP THESE PEOPLE? YOU CAN’T. [laughter]>>[indiscernible]>>President Donald Trump: THAT’S ONLY IN THE PANHANDLE THAT YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT STATEMENT.>>Reporter: THIS AFTERNOON FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA RELEASED A STATEMENT COMPARING THE ATTACKER IN EL PASO TO MEMBERS OF ISIS AND OTHER FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGINISATIONS. OBAMA WENT ON TO SAY, “WE SHOULD SOUNDLY REJECT LEADERS WHO DEMONIZE THOSE WHO DON’T LOOK LIKE US, OR SUGGEST THAT OTHER PEOPLE, INCLUDING IMMIGRANTS, THREATEN OUR WAY OF LIFE.” HE NEVER MENTIONED TRUMP’S NAME BUT THE IMPLICATION WAS CLEAR. HE NEVER MENTIONED TRUMP’S NAME BUT THE IMPLICATION WAS CLEAR. SOME AREN’T QUITE AS DIPLOMATIC.>>WELL, JESUS CHRIST, OF COURSE HE’S RACIST! HE’S BEEN RACIST SINCE DAY ONE.>>Reporter: ONE MORE THING THAT IS FODDER FOR HIS CRITICS –>>President Donald Trump: MAY GOD BLESS THE MEMORY OF THOSE WHO PERISHED IN TOLEDO.>>Reporter: DAYTON’S MAYOR WHO SITS A FULL 200 KILOMETRES SOUTH OF TOLEDO WAS ASKED ABOUT A REPORT THAT TRUMP WILL VISIT THIS WEEK.>>I HEARD THAT HE’S COMING ON WEDNESDAY BUT I’VE NOT GOTTEN A CALL. AND, YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT BE GOING TO TOLEDO, I DON’T KNOW.>>Reporter: PEOPLE WILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE’LL DO TO STOP MASS SHOOTINGS. ANYONE HOPING FOR NEW GUN CONTROL LAWS GOT NO SUCH PROMISE TODAY.>>President Donald Trump: MENTAL ILLNESS AND HATRED PULLS THE TRIGGER, NOT THE GUN.>>Reporter: SO GIVEN TRUMP’S THING TO SAY ONE THING WHEN READING OFF A TELEPROMPTER AND DOING SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY WHEN SPEAKING AT A RALLY OR RANTING ON TWITTER, THE REAL CALL FOR UNITY IS NOT A SCRIPTED MOMENT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. BUT, RATHER, WHAT HE’LL SAY AND DO IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS TO COME. PETER ARMSTRONG, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Rosemary: SO WHAT DRIVES SOMEONE TO PICK UP A GUN AND ATTACK? WE’LL HEAR FROM TWO PEOPLE WHO ALMOST WENT DOWN THAT PATH ABOUT HOW TO STOP MASS SHOOTERS BEFORE THEY TURN VIOLENT. THAT’S COMING UP A BIT LATER.>>Ian: IT WAS ALSO A VIOLENT LONG WEEKEND IN CANADA’S LARGEST CITY. TORONTO POLICE ASKING THE PUBLIC FOR HELP AFTER 12 SEPARATE SHOOTINGS. INCLUDING ONE JUST THIS AFTERNOON. JACQUELINE HANSEN LOOKS AT HOW THE CITY IS DEALING WITH THIS SPIKE IN VIOLENCE.>>I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A NORMAL WEEKEND IN THE CITY OF TORONTO.>>Reporter: SHELL CASINGS LITTER THE GROUND AT A DOZEN DIFFERENT CRIME SCENES. THE WORST ONE EARLY THIS MORNING AT A PACKED NIGHTCLUB IN NORTH TORONTO WHERE SEVEN PEOPLE WERE INJURED.>>I FIND IT DISTURBING WHEN YOU’VE GOT OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE AND SOMEONE WOULD BE BRAZEN ENOUGH TO PULL OUT A GUN AND START SHOOTING.>>Reporter: AT THIS POINT POLICE DON’T SEE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT SHOOTINGS, BUT INVESTIGATIONS ARE ONGOING. EACH SCENE, WITNESS AND VICTIM PART OF A GROWING PUZZLE OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE CITY.>>THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD NEVER HAPPEN ARE, UNFORTUNATELY, BECOMING AN EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE IN OUR CITY.>>Reporter: TORONTO TRAUMA SURGEON DR. NAJMA AHMED IS ONE OF MANY HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS WHO WANT STRICTER GUN LAWS.>>WE ASK OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO TAKE THIS MATTER SERIOUSLY BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THINGS GET OUT OF HAND AS WITNESSED BY THE WEEKEND IN THE UNITED STATES.>>Reporter: LAST YEAR IN TORONTO A STRING OF SHOOTINGS LED MAYOR JOHN TORY TO CALL FOR A FEDERAL BAN ON HANDGUNS. A CALL HE REPEATED TODAY. THE PROVINCE AND OTTAWA HAVE KICKED IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS TO FIGHT GUNS AND GANGS. AND THE CITY HAS EVEN PAID RESIDENTS TO TURN IN ILLEGAL OR UNWANTED GUNS. BUT BIG CHANGES TAKE TIME.>>THINGS LIKE CONCENTRATED POVERTY AND RACIAL SEGREGATION IN TERMS OF PUBLIC EDUCATION, TO GOOD HOUSING, TO RESOURCES THAT WE KNOW THAT HELP PEOPLE TO GET AHEAD IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SORT OF THE CORE ROOT CAUSES OF GUN VIOLENCE.>>Reporter: YET CHIEF MARK SAUNDERS REMAINS OPTIMISTIC THAT WITH THE PUBLIC’S HELP THAT THEY’LL FIND THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE. BUT JUST HOURS AFTER HIS PRESS CONFERENCE, ANOTHER SHOOTING AND ANOTHER VICTIM. JACQUELINE HANSEN, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Ian: NOW BEFORE ALL OF THIS, TORONTO HAD SEEN A SLIGHT DECLINE IN SHOOTINGS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, BUT NO MORE. ACCORDING TO THE MOST RECENT ONLINE FIGURES POSTED BY TORONTO POLICE THERE WERE 234 SHOOTINGS BY JULY 28, 2018, COMPARED TO JUST 230 FOR THE SAME PERIOD THIS YEAR. BUT THIS LONG WEEKEND, ALONG WITH THE SEPARATE SHOOTING IN NORTH TORONTO LAST THURSDAY, DRIVES THE NUMBER UP TO AT LEAST 243.>>Rosemary: DOCTORS ACROSS CANADA ARE CONCERNED ABOUT A CHRONIC SHORTAGE OF THREE INJECTABLE CANCER DRUGS. ONCOLOGISTS SAY THAT NO PATIENT HAS SUFFERED YET BUT THEY DO FEAR THAT DAY IS COMING. AS CHRISTINE BIRAK REPORTS, DRUG COMPANIES GIVE VARIOUS REASONS WHY ESSENTIAL MEDICATIONS ARE IN SHORT SUPPLY, BUT A MAJOR FACTOR IS LIKELY PROFIT.>>Reporter: DR. GERALD BATISTE DOESN’T WANT TO ALARM CANCER PATIENTS BUT SAYS THAT SHORTAGES OF VITAL CANCER DRUGS ARE GROWING.>>IT’S NOT REALLY CLEAR THAT ANY EFFORTS ARE MADE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IN A PERMANENT WAY.>>Reporter: ACROSS CANADA THREE ESSENTIAL MEDICATIONS ARE NOW IN SHORT SUPPLY. VINORELBINE TREATS CERTAIN TYPES OF LUNG AND BREAST CANCER. AND ETOPOSIDE IS FOR LYMPHOMAS AND LUNG AND TESTICULAR CANCER. AND LEUCOVORIN IS GIVEN TO PATIENTS TO REDUCE THE TOXIC SIDE EFFECTS OF CHEMOTHERAPY DRUGS. AND DRUGMAKERS HAVE GIVEN VARIOUS REASONS FOR THE SHORTAGES, INCLUDING DISRUPTIONS IN MANUFACTURING, TROUBLE SECURING RAW MATERIALS AND EVEN DELIVERY ISSUES. BUT ALL THREE OF THOSE DRUGS HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON — THEY’VE ALL GONE OFF PATENT. WHICH MEANS THAT THEY’RE NO LONGER AS PROFITABLE TO PRODUCE.>>WE’RE CONCERNED FOR THE FUTURE.>>Reporter: IN NOVA SCOTIA THE SITUATION IS EVEN WORSE. HOSPITALS ARE RUNNING LOW ON EIGHT CANCER DRUGS.>>THAT’S THE MOST I’VE SEEN IN 25 YEARS. I’VE DEALT WITH SOMETIMES TWO, THREE, BUT EIGHT IS FOR ME A RECORD.>>Reporter: THE SHORTAGES HAVE LEFT DOCTORS, NURSES AND PHARMACISTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY STRUGGLING TO SEEK OUT, SUBSTITUTE AND SHARE THE DRUG SUPPLY THEY HAVE.>>RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN’T HAD ANYTHING THAT HAS ACTUALLY LED TO DIFFERENT OUTCOMES FOR THE PATIENTS, BUT WE’RE WORRIED AND WE’RE CONCERNED THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. AND WILL THERE COME A TIME WHEN WE DON’T HAVE ANYTHING?>>Reporter: IN A STATEMENT HEALTH CANADA SAYS THAT “IT RECOGNIZES THE IMPACT THAT THESE SHORTAGES HAVE ON PATIENTS AND IS TAKING IMMEDIATE ACTION TO ADDRESS THEM.” IT’S ANTICIPATING THE SHORTAGE OF ETOPOSIDE TO END IN SEPTEMBER. VINORELBINE BY OCTOBER. BUT THE SUPPLY OF LEUCOVORIN REMAINS UNCLEAR.>>ACUTE LEUKEMIA, I DIDN’T HAVE MONTHS OR YEARS TO WASTE. I HAD A VERY SMALL WINDOW THAT I HAD TO ACCESS THIS TREATMENT.>>Reporter: AT 22, GEOFF EATON WAS TOLD THAT THERE WOULD BE CHALLENGES TO GETTING THE BEST TREATMENT FOR HIS CONDITION. HE DID GET IT, BUT IT WASN’T EASY.>>IT’S A PLACE WHERE I KNOW THAT NO ONE WANTS TO BE IN.>>Reporter: AND YET IT’S A REALITY THAT OTHER CANCER PATIENTS MAY SOON BE FACING. CHRISTINE BIRAK, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Ian: HERE’S SOME OF THE OTHER STORIES THAT WE’RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>CONCERNS IN THE FINANCIAL WORLD AFTER THE TRADE WAR BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CHINA TRIGGERED A HUGE DROP ON NORTH AMERICAN MARKETS. THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE IS FALLING NEARLY 3%, THAT’S THE WORST DAY OF THIS YEAR. AND IT COMES AFTER CHINA’S CENTRAL BANK DEVALUED ITS CURRENCY TO ITS LOWEST LEVEL IN MORE THAN A DECADE. INVESTORS ARE WORRIED THAT THE DEEPENING TRADE WAR BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES WILL SLOW GLOBAL GROWTH. LAST WEEK TRUMP IMPOSED NEW TARIFFS ON CHINESE GOODS.>>>AND AN EXTENSIVE RIVER SEARCH HAS COME UP EMPTY IN THE HUNT FOR THOSE TWO B.C. FUGITIVES. THE MOUNTIES SAY THEY HAVE COMPLETED THEIR WORK IN THE NELSON RIVER IN NORTHERN MANITOBA AND WON’T BE DOING ANY ADDITIONAL DIVINGS. OFFICERS STARTED THE UNDERWATER SEARCH AFTER A DAMAGED ALUMINUM BOAT WAS FOUND ON FRIDAY. STILL NO TRACE OF KAM McLEOD AND BRYER SCHMEGELSKY.>>[SIRENS]>>>THIS FIERY CRASH IN QUÉBEC HAS KILLED FOUR PEOPLE. A SMALL CAR GOT STUCK UNDER A SEMI-TRAILER ON THE 440 THIS AFTERNOON. IT THEN HIT ANOTHER TRUCK AND THEN THREE MORE VEHICLES. ONE OF THE TRUCKS WAS CARRYING PROPANE CANNISTERS AND THAT MAY HAVE TRIGGERED A SMALL EXPLOSION EXPLOSION. IT TOOK MORE THAN AN HOUR FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS TO GET THE BLAZE UNDER CONTROL. HERE’S THE SCENE OF THE CRASH A FEW MINUTES AGO. YOU CAN SEE THE SCORCHED VEHICLES AND THE EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE THERE STILL THERE. AT THIS STAGE THE 440 IS CLOSED TO TRAFFIC WESTBOUND.>>>THE COMPLEX CLEANUP AND THE RESTORATION OF NOTRE-DAME HAS HIT A BIG SNAG. FIRE GUTTED THE PARISIAN LANDMARK IN APRIL, SENDING TOXIC PARTICLES BILLOWING SKYWARD. NOW PARISIANS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LEAD LEVELS AND WHETHER WORKERS AND RESIDENTS ARE AT RISK. AS SUSAN ORMISTON TELLS US, WORK HAS STOPPED UNTIL IT’S ALL SORTED OUT.>>Reporter: PARIS ISN’T PARIS WITHOUT NOTRE DAME, BUT THE CATHEDRAL IS CLOSED THIS SUMMER. ITS GRACEFUL CONTOURS ARE SHROUDED IN SCAFFOLDING. AN EPIC CLEANUP INSIDE HAS BEEN HALTED FOR NOW AS CONCERNS MOUNT OVER LEAD CONTAMINATION. WITH THE FIRE, 450 TONNES OF LEAD, MAINLY IN THE ROOF, MELTED, DISBURSING LEAD PARTICLES. AND AS THE SPIRE, CLAD IN LEAD, COLLAPSED, A THICK YELLOW CLOUD WAFTED OVER THE CITY. AND THE VIEW OF NOTRE DAME IS…>>Reporter: ODIL LIVES IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS THE SIENNE. SHE’S WAITING FOR HER TEST RESULTS FOR LEAD LEVELS AFTER FEELING ILL RECENTLY.>>I STARTED TO HAVE STOMACH PAINS, FEELING VERY TIRED, AND THEN THESE PAINS HAVE BEEN INCREASING.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: A GROUP OF PARIS UNIONS AND ENVIRONMENTALISTS TODAY RAISED THE ALARM. PROTECTIONS FOR WORKERS AND THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN TOO LATE, THEY SAY, AND NOT ENOUGH. AND AS THEY SPOKE IT APPEARED THAT A MAN WAS SWIPING SAMPLES FROM JUST IN FRONT OF THE CATHEDRAL.>>THERE ARE A LOT OF WORKERS WORKING WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PROTECTION AGAINST LEAD.>>Reporter: RESEARCHER ANNIE TIBONI SAYS THAT THE CITY HAS UNDERPLAYED THE LEAD PROBLEM.>>THE FIRST REACTION OF THE HEALTH AUTHORITIES IS TO SAY THERE IS NO PROBLEM.>>Reporter: UNDER PRESSURE, THAT’S CHANGING. NORMALLY THIS AREA IS FULL OF PEOPLE BUT IT’S COMPLETELY SHUTDOWN AND TODAY THE CITY OF PARIS ANNOUNCED THAT IT’S GOING TO TRY TO DECONTAMINATE THIS AREA. THEY’LL START IN A COUPLE DAYS BY APPLYING A THIN LAYER OF GEL ALL OVER THIS SQUARE AND IN ADJACENT STREETS. IT’S MEANT TO PULL UP ANY LEAD PARTICLES THAT HAVE SETTLED INTO THE GROUND HERE. THE PROCESS COULD TAKE UNTIL SEPTEMBER. NOTRE DAME IS STILL A DRAW, FAMILIES FLOCKING TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN STILL. THE CITY SAYS THAT A NEW ROUND OF SAMPLING SHOULD GIVE A CLEARER PICTURE, BUT A DEPUTY MAYOR IS URGING CAUTION.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: TOURISTS MUST NOT SIT ON THE STREETS NEARBY WITH THEIR KIDS AND HAVE PICNICS, SAYS ANN SOURIS. A SOBERING REMINDER THAT TOO LITTLE IS KNOWN ABOUT WHAT NOTER DAME’S FIRE LEFT BEHIND. SUSAN ORMISTON, CBC NEWS, PARIS.>>Rosemary: STILL AHEAD…>>>ADAPTING TO CLIMATE CHANGE FROM FLOOD CONTROL TO GROWING CROPS. “THE NATIONAL” SERIES “IN OUR BACKYARD” FINDS THE INNOVATIVE APPROACH.>>Ian: AND LATER, THE RACERS WHO COME TO THE CANADIAN ROCKIES TO CHEAT DEATH. IT’S DEFINITELY NO WALK IN THE PARK. THIS IS ONE OF THE WORLD’S TOUGHEST ULTRA-MARATHONS. (* (*)>>Ian: THE UNITED NATIONS IS CALLING FOR CALM AFTER A CONTROVERSIAL MOVE BY INDIA TODAY. IT REVOKED SPECIAL STATUS FOR ITS PORTION OF THE DISPUTED KASHMIR REGION. INDIA AND PAKISTAN EACH CONSIDER THE TERRITORY THEIR OWN AND EACH ADMINISTERS ROUGHLY HALF. BUT IT’S BEEN A FREQUENT SOURCE OF WARS AND SKIRMISHES BETWEEN THE TWO NUCLEAR POWERS. UP UNTIL NOW INDIAN ADMINISTERED KASHMIR HAD ENJOYED LIMITED POWERS. CAMERON MacINTOSH HAS MORE ON THE CONCERNS THAT TODAY’S DEVELOPMENT IS GENERATING.>>Reporter: IN SRINGAR, THE CAPITAL OF KASHMIR, POLICE ARE AT CHECKPOINTS. SET UP FOR AN IMMINENT TERROR ATTACK. IT APPEARS THEY WANT TO IMPOSE A CURFEW AS CELLULAR AND INTERNET CONNECTIONS WERE CUT OFF. AND THEN CAME THIS…>>[speaking foreign language].>>Reporter: THE INDIAN INTERIOR MINISTER ANNOUNCING TO PARTMENT KOOSH MERE’S SEMI-AUTONOMOUS STATUS WILL BE REVOKED, AS THE OPPOSITION PARTIES SHOUTED HIM DOWN. [Interjections] FOR INDIA THIS ENDS A SEVEN-DECADE OLD CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION THAT GRANTED KASHMIR SEMIAUTONOMOUS POWERS, IN EXCHANGE FOR INDIA TAKING CONTROL OF MILITARY AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS. THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT SAYS THIS MOVE WILL BETTER WORK FOR KASHMIR. SOME HINDUS WERE CELEBRATING TODAY. THIS WILL LIKELY OVERTURN A KASHMIRI LAW THAT PREVENTED NON-STATE RESIDENTS FROM BUYING PROPERTY.>>[speaking foreign LANGUAGE].>>Reporter: OUR 30 YEARS OF BANDISHMENT HAS ENDED, SAYS THIS MAN. BUT KASHMIRIS, MOST OF THEM MUSLIM, FEAR THEY’LL SOON BE A MINORITY IN THEIR OWN LAND.>>[speaking foreign language].>>Reporter: IT WAS OUR IDENTITY, THE IDENTITY OF KASHMIR, HE SAID. THIS IS INJUSTICE. INDEED, THERE’S A DEBATE WHETHER THIS IS ACTUALLY LEGAL UNDER INDIA’S CONSTITUTION.>>THE MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO CONVERT INDIA INTO A HINDU STATE.>>Carole: THIS KASHMIRI HINDU SCHOLAR SEES IT AS PART OF A BIGGER TREND FOR THE RULING HINDU NATIONAL.>>WHAT IT IS IS A HUGE SYMBOLIC MOVE TO SAY THIS IS LAND AND WE CAN DO WITH IT WHAT WE LIKE AND WE DON’T NEED THE CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE.>>Reporter: ANYTHING TO DO WITH KASHMIR GOES BEYOND INTERNAL POLITICS. FOR 70 YEARS PAKISTAN HAS LAID CLAIM TO THE REGION AND GONE TO WAR WITH INDIA OVER IT TWICE. SAYING TODAY IT WILL EXERCISE ALL POSSIBLE ACTIONS TO COUNTER POSSIBLE STEPS. THE UNITED NATIONS WHICH MONITORS THE AREA IS URGING CALM.>>WE ARE FOLLOWING WITH CONCERN THE TENSE SITUATION IN THE REGION.>>Reporter: MEANWHILE THE INDIAN MILITARY PRESENCE IS BEING INCREASED AS THE CURFEW REMAINS IN PLACE. CAMERON MacINTOSH, CBC NEWS, LONDON.>>Rosemary: COMING UP…>>>IN-DEPTH ON OUR TOP STORY. HEAR FROM TWO MEN, BOTH WHO ONCE SUBSCRIBED TO VIOLENT AND HATEFUL IDEAS. HOW THEY’RE GETTING TO THE ROOT OF MASS SHOOTINGS.>>Ian: AND OUR SERIES “IN OUR BACKYARD” CHECKS OUT THE NEW FRONTIER OF FARMING — SMART FERTILIZERS.>>WHEN THE FARMER IS MAKING ECONOMICAL DECISIONS BASED ON DATA AND AGRICULTURE, THE (*)>>IT’S NOT FAIR THAT SOMEBODY FROM GOD KNOWS WHERE JUST SHOWED UP AND DID SOMETHING SO UGLY TO US, WITH SO MUCH HATRED.>>Rosemary: A VICTIM OF THE EL PASO ATTACK EXPRESSES FRUSTRATION FELT BY SO MANY AFTER LAS VEGAS AND PARKLAND AND SANDY HOOK. IT CAN SEEM THAT MASS SHOOTERS APPEAR OUT OF NOWHERE. BUT THE F.B.I. HAS STUDIED THE DATA AND THESE ATTACKERS TEND TO SHARE SOME CHARACTERISTICS. 94% ARE MEN. MASS SHOOTERS ARE MOSTLY WHITE. ALTHOUGH THAT’S IN LINE WITH THE PROPORTION OF THE U.S. POPULATION. MOST ACTIVE SHOOTERS ARE EITHER SINGLE AT THE TIME OF SHOOTING OR DIVORCED OR SEPARATED. THE F.B.I. CONCLUDED THAT AFTER SHOOTERS CAN BEHAVE IN WAYS BEFORE THEIR ATTACKS THAT COULD SINGLE IMPENDING VIOLENCE. NEARLY TWO-THIRDS OF ACTIVE SHOOTERS HAD A HISTORY OF ACTING IN AN ABUSIVE AND HARASSING AND OPPRESSIVE WAY, INCLUDING EXCESSIVE BULLYING.>>HE’S ALWAYS BEEN A CRAZY KID. I HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT ONE DAY HE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS. AND, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT WAS TODAY.>>Rosemary: KNOWING ALL OF THIS, CAN WE LOOK AT HOW PEOPLE GET TO SUCH A VIOLENT PLACE AND DIFFUSE THE THREAT BEFORE IT TAKES SHAPE? TONIGHT WE’RE GOING TO GO IN-DEPTH ON THAT VERY QUESTION WITH TWO GUESTS WHO AT ONE TIME WERE NEARLY CONSUMED BY HATE. CANADIAN TONY McALEER WAS A WHITE SUPREMACIST. HE USED TO RECRUIT FOR THE WHITE ARYAN RESISTANCE BUT HE WENT THROUGH A PERSONAL TRANSFORMATION AND CO-FOUNDED “LIFE AFTER HATE” THAT HELPS PEOPLE TO LEAVE WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS. AARON STARK WAS ALMOST A SCHOOL SHOOTER. AFTER THE PARKLAND SHOOTING HE ADMITTED PUBLICLY THAT AS A TEEN HE HAD TRIED AND FAILED TO GET A GUN BECAUSE HE FELT SO POWERLESS. NOW HE GIVES TALKS AND TRIES TO HELP OTHERS IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS. AARON IS IN DENVER TONIGHT, AND TONY IS IN VANCOUVER. GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. AARON, I’M GOING TO START WITH YOU. WE DON’T KNOW A WHOLE LOT AT THIS STAGE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO. BUT WE CERTAINLY KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN EL PASO, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THIS RACIST MANIFESTO THAT WAS POSTED BY THE ALLEGED SHOOTER. WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT?>>I SAW IMMEDIATELY THE KEY WAS SEARCHING FOR VALIDATION. HE SEEMED TO BE WRITING ABOUT HOW HE WANTED TO BE SOME KIND OF HERO AGAINST THE INVADING HORDE. IT ALL SEEMED TO BE GETTING HIS “IN” GROUP TO CHEER HIM ON. IT SEEMED THAT HE WANTED POSITIVE VALIDATION BUT FROM THE MOST NEGATIVE SOURCE POSSIBLE.>>Rosemary: AND, TONY, AS SOMEONE WHO USED TO BE A WHITE SUPREMACIST AND RECRUIT THEM, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE MESSAGE THAT WAS LEFT?>>I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IDEOLOGY AND WHAT THESE MOVEMENTS ATTRACT IS PEOPLE WITH THOSE VULNERABILITIES THAT ARE LACKING A SENSE OF PURPOSE, A SENSE OF MEANING, A SENSE OF SIGNIFICANCE. WHEN YOU JOIN THESE MOVEMENTS THEY WILL GIVE YOU ALL OF IT IN SPADES. AND LIKE THE OTHER GUEST SAID, IN THE MOST NEGATIVE WAY POSSIBLE.>>Rosemary: SO THEY MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU BELONG, IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO SAY, TONY?>>YEAH, THEY MAKE YOU FEEL THAW BELONG AND YOU’RE PART OF THIS GREAT HEROIC STRUGGLE TO SAVE THE WHITE RACE. AND IT ADDS A NARRATIVE TO SOMEONE’S LIFE THAT DOESN’T HAVE SUCH A NARRATIVE AND DOESN’T HAVE A SOLID SENSE OF PURPOSE.>>Rosemary: SO, AARON, YOU GAVE THIS TALK WHERE YOU ADMITTED THAT YOU HAD ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A SCHOOL SHOOTING. THIS WASN’T A SCHOOL SHOOTING BUT THERE WERE TWO SHOOTINGS IN A NUMBER OF DAYS. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU SEE THAT UNFOLDING?>>I THINK THAT THERE IS A SIMMERING KIND OF HATRED IN THIS COUNTRY. I THINK THAT IT’S BEING PUSHED ON BY THOSE AT THE TOP. IT DOESN’T HELP WITH TRUMP TWEETING OUT THAT PEOPLE NEED TO GO BACK WHERE THEY COME FROM. THAT DOES NOT HELP AT ALL.>>Rosemary: SO, TONY, I WAS GOING TO PUT THAT TO YOU AS WELL, THE RHETORIC THAT WE’RE HEARING FROM THE PRESIDENT. DOES IT IN SOME WAY NORMALIZE BEHAVIOUR AND DOES IT EMBOLDEN PEOPLE?>>I THINK THAT OUR SOCIETY IS VERY MUCH AT WAR WITH ITSELF. AND I THINK THAT WE — I THINK IT’S A SIMPLISTIC WAY TO LOOK AT IT. I THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS MORE OF A CULTURE OF VIOLENCE THAT EXISTS IN THE UNITED STATES. THAT AND I THINK THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE GLORIFICATION OF THESE ACTS, I THINK THAT CHRISTCHURCH WAS THE FIRST TIME WHERE SOMEONE REALLY BECAME — USED THE INTERNET TO LIVESTREAM THE VIDEO AND TO REALLY TRY AND MAKE HIMSELF A — I HATE TO USE THIS WORD IN THIS CONTEXT — BUT A SUPERSTAR IN THAT SPACE. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND SAID AND NOT GIVE THEM THAT SPACE AND NOT MENTION HIS NAME.>>Rosemary: I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THE AMERICAN CULTURE — AND I’LL GET YOU TO WEIGH ON THAT TOO, AARON. BUT IS THERE NOT SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR HAPPENING HERE AROUND WHITE SUPREMACY? DO YOU NOT THINK THAT IT IS PARTICULAR TO THAT SUB-CULTURE AS WELL?>>WELL, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. AND SOME OF THOSE GUYS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PERSON WHO SHOT UP TREE OF LIFE SYNAGOGUE ALMOST — LESS THAN A YEAR AGO IN PITTSBURGH — HE IN HIS MANIFESTO DESPISED TRUMP. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THIS CULTURE OF FEAR AND HATRED THAT PERMEATES SOCIETY AND OUR SOCIETY IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY POLARIZED. I THINK THAT WITH EACH AND EVERY ATTACK IT GETS NORMALIZED.>>Rosemary: SO, AARON, YOU’RE DOWN THERE AND YOU’RE AN AMERICAN LIVING IN THAT AND YOU’RE NOW IN THE POINT IN YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU’RE TRYING TO REACH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE FEELING MARGINALIZED OR, YOU KNOW, BEING LURED INTO VIOLENCE OR WHITE SUPREMACY OR WHATEVER. WHAT ARE THOSE PEOPLE TELLING YOU? HOW DO THEY APPROACH YOU AND WHAT ARE THEY TALKING TO YOU ABOUT?>>WELL, I THINK THAT THERE IS A FETISH NATURE WITH VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE WE WRAP AROUND OUR HEROES WITH VIOLENCE AND IT SEEMS TO PERMEATE EVERY LEVEL OF OUR CULTURE. I THINK THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO ME — THE THING THAT STRIKES ME THE MOST IS HOW UNIVERSAL THAT SENSE OF PAIN IS. I THINK THAT AT THE BASE OF IT THE REAL PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU HATE YOURSELF YOU’LL DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE THE WORLD AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THAT THESE KIDS HATE THEMSELVES.>>Rosemary: YEAH, BUT, AARON, WHY IS IT — WHY IS IT PARTICULARLY WHITE MEN THAT ARE DOING THAT AND THAT ARE AFFECTED IN THAT WAY?>>I THINK THAT AS WE’RE RAISED WE’RE TAUGHT THAT WE NEED TO BE A CERTAIN WAY, WE NEED TO MAN UP, WE NEED TO NOT SHOW EMOTION. WE NEED TO ACT LIKE A MAN. I THINK THAT THOSE KINDS OF TEACHINGS ARE EXTREMELY DAMAGING TO OUR YOUTH. I THINK THAT IT’S BEEN — I THINK THAT WHITE MALES ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA HAVE A HUGE ACCESS TO HIGH-CAPACITY WEAPONS. THEY HAVE A SEEMINGLY GROWING HATRED OF EDUCATION AND A VILIFICATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SMART. AND THAT COMBINATION JUST TURNS INTO THIS SWIRLING MORASS OF HATRED. IT’S THE FEAR OF “THE OTHER,” XENOPHOBIA, THE FEAR OF THE DIFFERENT.>>Rosemary: SO, TONY, WHEN YOU’RE OUT THERE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE TOO AND THEY EITHER REACH OUT TO YOU OR THEIR FAMILY REACHES OUT TO YOU OR THERE’S SIGNS THAT THEY’RE TURNING THIS WAY — WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO TRY TO TURN THEM BEFORE THESE THINGS HAPPEN?>>WHAT WE DO AT “LIFE AFTER HATE” WE TRY AND FIND THEM RESOURCES IN THEIR LOCAL COMMUNITY TO HELP THEM WITH THESE ISSUES. BECAUSE THEY’RE STRUGGLING WITH IT AS A FAMILY AND INDIVIDUALS ARE STRUGGLING AS WELL. WE TRY TO DEAL WITH THE PAIN, THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF THE PAIN AND THE ANGER, WHICH IS LEADING TO THE LASHING OUT.>>Rosemary: AARON, YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT TOO?>>OH, JUST THAT FROM MY OWN PERSONAL ASPECT OF IT, I DEAL WITH MORE OF THE DEPRESSION SIDE. THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO ME, I TALK TO THEM MORE ABOUT FEELING WORTHLESS AND HOW THEY DON’T FEEL LISTENED TO. SO I TRY TO FOCUS MOST ON MAKING THEM FEEL THAT THEY BELONG. WHEN YOU DON’T FEEL HUMAN, BEING TREATED LIKE A PERSON CAN CHANGE YOUR ENTIRE WORLD. SOMETIMES THAT’S THE BASE PROBLEM OF IT, AND THEY DON’T FEEL LIKE THEY’RE HUMAN.>>Rosemary: BECAUSE YOU HAVE BOTH BEEN THROUGH DIFFERENT THINGS BUT BOTH TRYING TO GET OUT OF SOMETHING LET ME END ON THIS. I’LL START WITH YOU, TONY. WHAT WAS THE MOMENT OR THE THING THAT CLICKED FOR YOU WHEN YOU SORT OF WERE ABLE TO GET YOURSELF BACK AWAY FROM ALL OF THAT HATE AND DARKNESS?>>TO TOUCH ON WHAT AARON’S POINT WAS, IT WAS COMPASSION AND THE COMPASSION SHOWED UP IN THE FORM OF MY TWO CHILDREN THAT WERE BORN 15 MONTHS APART. AND WHEN I COULDN’T SEE — I SAW A PERSON WHO WASN’T WHOLE WHEN I LOOKED IN THE MIRROR. KIDS — THEY SEE A WHOLE PERSON, THEY SEE A MAGNIFICENT PERSON THAT WE CAN’T SEE ON OUR OWN. THAT’S WHAT COMPASSION DOES. WHEN WE’RE COMPASSIONATE WITH SOMEBODY WE HOLD A MIRROR UP TO THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO SEE THEIR HUMANITY REFLECTED BACK AT THEM. AND ONCE THAT PROCESS STARTS AND IS FURTHER SUPPORTED THEY CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE LEVEL TO WHICH WE DEHUMANIZE OTHER HUMAN BEINGS IS A REFLECTION OF HOW INTERNALLY DISCONNECTED AND DEHUMANIZED WE ARE.>>Rosemary: AARON, LAST WORD TO YOU ON THAT.>>FOR ME IT WAS BEING TREATED LIKE A HUMAN. IT WAS SIMPLE ACTS OF KINDNESS. IT WAS LISTENING TO ME WHEN I FELT THAT NO ONE WAS LISTENING TO ME IN THE WORLD AND REALIZING THAT I WASN’T BROKEN. AND I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH A REALLY TERRIBLE LIFE.>>Rosemary: I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOMETIMES THOUGH PEOPLE ARE TOO FAR GONE, ARE THEY NOT, AARON?>>I’D SAY THAT, YEAH, THE PEOPLE — IF YOU FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE ACT AND YOU ACTUALLY GO THROUGH WITH IT YOU’RE TOO FAR GONE AND YOU DESERVE THE PUNISHMENT THAT YOU’RE GETTING. THERE’S A SMALL SECTION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DO THAT. BUT THERE’S A LARGER SECTION OF PEOPLE IN THAT GREY AREA THAT MIGHT DO IT OR THAT FEEL THAT THEY COULD AT ANY TIME. AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE CAN REACH. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE CAN SHOW THAT LIFE REALLY DOES MATTER AND THAT THEY MATTER. AND THAT THEIR OPINION IS WORTHY AND THAT PEOPLE WILL MISS THEM. AND TO SHOW KINDNESS. KINDNESS IS FREE. PEOPLE SAY ALL THE TIME THAT, WELL, IF IT’S NOT GOING TO FIX ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS WHY SHOULD WE DO IT? AND THIS LAW WON’T CHANGE EVERYTHING. AND WE CAN’T PASS THAT REGULATION. WE CAN JUST START BY BEING NICE. GIVE LOVE TO PEOPLE WHO YOU FEEL THAT DESERVE IT THE LEAST, BECAUSE THEY NEED IT THE MOST.>>Rosemary: OKAY, I’VE GOT TO LEAVE IT THERE. EXPAIRPB TONY, THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVES TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE IT.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Ian: SO MUCH TO THINK ABOUT THERE.>>>COMING UP NEXT ON THE PROGRAMME “IN OUR BACKYARD,” “THE NATIONAL” SERIES ON CLIMATE CHANGE. WE’LL TAKE YOU TO THE MANITOBA SWAMPLAND THAT MAY HOLD THE SECRET TO FLOOD PREVENTION.>>IT’S BASICALLY A NATURAL INFRASTRUCTURE. IT’S A DAM THAT WE HAVE BUILT AND WE’RE HELPING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE STRAINS ON MUNICIPAL>>I’M JAYME POISSON. TOMORROW ON CBC DAILY NEWS PODCAST “FRONTBURNER,” AFTER TWO U.S. MASS SHOOTINGS OVER THE WEEKEND WE TALK WITH A GUN VIOLENCE EXPERT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN AMERICA. SUBSCRIBE WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS. (*) (*) (*)>>Ian: HERE’S SOME OTHER STORIES THAT WE’RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>OFFICIALS IN EGYPT SAY THAT Y 40 PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND 47 OTHERS INJURED AFTER A CAR PACKED WITH EXPLOSIVES CRASHED OUTSIDE OF A CAIRO HOSPITAL. THE COUNTRY’S INTERIOR MINISTRY SAYS THAT THE CAR WAS STOLEN A FEW MONTHS AGO AND WAS INTENDED FOR MILITANT ATTACK IN A SEPARATE LOCATION. MORE THAN 70 PATIENTS WERE EVACUATED TO OTHER HOSPITALS AFTER THE EXPLOSION.>>>AND PASSENGERS ON THIS BRITISH AIRWAYS FLIGHT SAY IT WAS LIKE A HORROR MOVIE. SMOKE APPEARED TO COME OUT OF THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE LANDING IN SPAIN TODAY. THOSE ON BOARD WERE TOLD TO GET DOWN TO TRY TO BREATHE EASIER. ONCE ON THE GROUND PASSENGERS EVACUATED VIA THE EMERGENCY CHUTE. BRITISH AIRWAYS HAS NOT YET SAID WHAT PRECISELY THE SOURCE OF THE SMOKE WAS.>>>THIS WEEK THE INTERNATIONAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE IS EXPECTED TO RELEASE A NEW REPORT THAT FOCUSES ON LAND. A LEAKED DRAFT SUGGESTS THAT THE WORLD DOESN’T CHANGE HOW IT PRODUCES FOOD AND MANAGES LAND, THAT GLOBAL TEMPERATURES WILL RISE ABOVE TWO DEGREES CELSIUS THAT IS WIDELY CONSIDERED THE POINT OF NO RETURN. AGRICULTURE IS A MAJOR SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. FARMS IN CANADA HAVE MANAGED TO CUT THEIR CARBON OUTPUT BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE RELEASE OF ANOTHER POTENT GAS HAS INCREASED. BONNIE ALLEN EXPLAINS WHY FERTILIZER IS LARGELY TO BLAME AND WHAT’S BEING DONE ABOUT IT.>>Reporter: AS FARMERS SEE THAT THEIR CROPS THIS SPRING, THE CHALLENGE IS AS ALWAYS HOW TO SPEND LESS BUT GROW MORE.>>WE HAVE OATS AND BARLEY.>>Reporter: JOCELYNE STRATEGICALLY MIX AND ROTATES CROPS TO FERTILIZE THE SOIL NATURALLY.>>WE CAN PUT WHATEVER WE WANT IN OUR MIX THAT WILL GROW THE BEST AND WE’LL IMPROVE THE SOIL AT THE SAME TIME.>>Reporter: BUT IN ORDER TO GET A PROFITABLE YIELD, SHE STILL SPENDS MORE THAN $100,000 A YEAR ON MANUFACTURED FERTILIZER.>>WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT FERTILIZER TO THE PLANT AND IT IS NO GOOD TO US IF WE HAVE PAID FOR FERTILIZER THAT’S IN THE ATMOSPHERE.>>Reporter: IN WESTERN CANADA, FARMERS HAVE INCREASED THE USE OF NITROGEN FERTILIZER BY MORE THAN 150% SINCE THE 1980s. THE RESULT IS RECORD-BREAKING YIELDS. AND MORE FOOD FOR THE WORLD. BUT IT ALSO COMES AT A COST TO THE ENVIRONMENT. SOME FERTILIZER IS WASTED. FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER A FARMER SEEDS AND FERTILIZES, THE PLANT CAN ONLY USE A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND NOT ALL AT ONCE. A HEAVY RAIN CAN CAUSE EXCESS FERTILIZER TO CONVERT TO NITROUS OXIDE, A GREENHOUSE GAS 300 TIMES MORE POTENT THAN CARBON DIOXIDE. FERTILIZE USE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SO MUCH NITROUS OXIDE THAT IT’S EQUIVALENT TO DRIVING 2.5 MILLION CARS FOR A YEAR. TYLER KESSLER IS AN AGRONOMIST WHO ADVISES FARMERS ON HOW TO REDUCE WASTE.>>WHEN THE FARMER IS MAKING ECONOMICAL DECISIONS BASED ON DATA AND AGRICULTURE, THE ENVIRONMENT WINS ALL THE TIME. SO WE ARE NOT OVERAPPLYING WHERE WE DON’T NEED TO BE.>>Reporter: HE TAKES SOIL SAMPLES AND COLLECTS DATA FROM MOISTURE PROBES TO MAP THE YIELD POTENTIAL. THEN HE CALCULATES THE BEST KIND OF FERTILIZER, HOW MUCH, AND WHERE AND WHEN TO USE IT.>>I WRITE A PRESCRIPTION THAT GOES INTO THE TRACTOR, INTO THE DRILL. AND IT TELLS IT WHERE TO PUT THE FERTILIZER AND AT WHAT RATE.>>Reporter: THE FERTILIZERS ARE EVOLVING TOO. IT GIVES PLANTS MORE TIME TO ABSORB THEM. NITROIFICATION PROHIBITERS CAN CHANGE HOW MUCH IS CHANGED TO GAS. AND IT WILL ONLY RESPOND TO WHAT THE PLANT NEEDS. THE EFFICIENT FERTILIZER USE IS THE NEW FARMING FRONTIER.>>WE’RE KIND OF ON THE CUSP OF IT.>>Reporter: HOW TO GROW THE MOST FOOD WHILE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY AND THE ENVIRONMENT. BONNIE ALLEN, CBC NEWS, NEAR REGINA.>>Ian: NOW ANOTHER AREA OF GREAT CONCERN IS THE ROLE THAT CLIMATE CHANGE PLAYS IN EXTREME FLOODING. SO SOME EXPERTS ARE LOOKING AT NATURAL OR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE TO MANAGE WATER. KAREN PAULS SHOWS US ONE SOLUTION IN SOUTHERN MANITOBA.>>Reporter: THIS IS PELLY’S LAKE. IT LOOKS LIKE A SWAMP LAND FULL OF REEDS AND CATTAILS BUT IT’S MUCH MORE THAN THAT.>>WHAT THE PELLY’S LAKE PROJECT IS BASICALLY A NATURAL INFRASTRUCTURE. IT’S A DAM THAT WE HAVE BUILT TO ENHANCE AN EXISTING WETLAND MARSH AREA THAT ALLOWS US TO CAPTURE SPRING RUNOFF WHILE WE’RE HELPING TO ALLEVIATE THE STRAINS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOWNSTREAM BY HOLDING THE WATER BACK AND SLOWING IT DOWN.>>Reporter: IN JUNE WHEN THIS PART OF MANITOBA IS OFTEN BONE DRY… JUSTIN REID OPENS UP THE FLOOD GATES.>>WE HAVE GATES IN OUR CULVERTS THAT ARE THROUGH THE DAM. AND WE COME OUT AND WE OPEN THE GATES AND START THE DRAINING PROCESS THEN.>>Reporter: IT’S JUST A TRICKLE AND THAT’S KIND OF THE POINT. CONTROLLING SPRING FLOODWATER THAT THREATENED HOMES, BRIDGES AND ROADS. THE WATER FLOWS DOWNSTREAM AND FILLING UP THE RESERVOIRS AND WELLS OWNED BY FARMERS AND MUNICIPALITIES. SO THEY CAN USE IT TO IRRIGATE FIELDS AND GOLF COURSES.>>WE HAVE SET OUR LEVELS SO THAT THE FLOW LEAVING THE DAM DOESN’T CAUSE ANY ADDITIONAL FLOODING PROBLEMS DOWNSTREAM AND NOW WE GET TO MONITOR IT FROM HERE ON OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE FLOWING SMOOTHLY.>>Reporter: PELLY’S LAKE WORKS ON A SMALL SCALE BUT COULD IT WORK IN CASES OF MAJOR FLOODING?>>PELLY’S LAKE IS IN COMPARISON 93 SQUARE KILOMETRES SO WE’RE COMPARING HERE 146,000 SQUARE KILOMETRES AND 93 SQUARE KILOMETRES.>>Reporter: THIS EXPERT SAYS NATURAL RESERVOIRS CAN HELP BIG CITIES BY HOLDING BACK THE TRIBUTARIES. AND THEY FILL UP THEIR MAIN RIVERS.>>IN COUNTRIES LIKE FRANCE WHERE THEY HAVE A SYSTEM OF UPSTREAM, DOWNSTREAM, YOU KNOW, AGREEMENTS, LET’S PUT IT THAT WAY — THAT THE DOWNSTREAM PARTS WHICH ARE OFTEN TIMES MORE URBAN WILL COMPENSATION FINANCIALLY THE UPSTREAM PARTS WHICH OFTENTIMES ARE MORE AGRICULTURAL TO LET SOME OF THAT SPACE FOR WATER TO GO.>>SHOULD WE BE DOING — THINKING ABOUT THE RECONNAISSANCE FOR THAT REGION?>>Reporter: HANK HELPED TO DESIGN PELLY’S LAKE. HE’S DEVELOPING NEW WAYS TO INCORPORATE NATURAL INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE CITIES TOO.>>URBAN IS HARDER. BUT EVEN WITHIN THE URBAN AREAS THERE’S A LOT OF POTENTIAL.>>Reporter: BACK AT PELLY’S LAKE, JUSTIN REID IS A TRUE BELIEVER.>>IT REALLY DOESN’T TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT TO FIND A PLACE WHERE THIS CAN WORK. YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH USE WHAT YOU’RE GIVEN ON THE LANDSCAPE AND YOU CAN HOLD A LITTLE BIT BACK OR A LOT BACK AND IT CAN BE DONE KIND OF ANYWHERE.>>Reporter: KAREN PAULS, CBC NEWS, WINNIPEG. (*)>>Rosemary: 30 YEARS AGO HE WAS THE RECRUIT WHO ROCKED THE MOUNTIES. NOW HE’S POISED TO RETIRE.>>I NEVER SET OUT TO BE ANY TYPE OF A TRAILBLAZER OR AN ICON OR A ROLE MODEL. I DID NOT. I SET OUT TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER.>>Rosemary: THE FIRST SIKH RCMP OFFICER TO WEAR A TURBAN IS OUR “MOMENT.” BUT FIRST… (*)>>>”IN CASE YOU MISSED IT,” ALEX PETROSKY IS THE TOUGHEST CANUCK YOU HAVE NEVER MET. THE 34-YEAR-OLD EDMONTONIAN HAS WON THIS YEAR’S CANADIAN DEATH RACE. A GRUELING TWO-DAY, 125 KILOMETRE ULTRA-MARATHON THROUGH WESTERN ALBERTA’S ROCKY MOUNTAINS. THICK BUSH… TREACHEROUS WINDING PATHS… RIVERS AND BOGS AND HILLS — SO MANY HILLS — INCLUDING ONE NON-STOP THOUSAND METRE CLIMB THAT, FRANKLY, IS A BIT MUCH. I MEAN, I’M NEVER GOING TO RUN THIS THING, AT LEAST BY CHOICE. BUT COME ON, THERE’S EVEN A KIDS’ DEATH RACE. DOESN’T HE LOOK LIKE HE’S HAVING FUN? AND OH, RUNNING INTO GRIZZLY BEARS IS ALWAYS A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY. AND YET PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WILLINGLY SUBJECTING THEMSELVES TO THIS FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. BECAUSE SELF-IMPROVEMENT GOALS? MASOCHISM? AND GET THIS, THE CANADIAN DEATH RACE IS JUST ONE SUCH EVENT IN NORTH AMERICA. OTHERS INCLUDE ALBERTA’S SINISTER SEVEN RACE WHICH PETROSKY HAS ALSO RAN, OF COURSE HE HAS. AND TENNESSEE’S BARKLEY MARATHON, 160 KILOMETRES THROUGH THE BEAUTIFUL APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS, WHICH WILL ALSO TOTALLY TRY TO KILL YOU. SO HERE’S TO YOU, ALEX PETROSKY AND ALL OF YOU OTHER DEATH RACERS. MAY YOU ALL LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO REALIZE THE VIRTUES OF THE HUMBLE TREADMILL. (*)>>Rosemary: IN 1990, BALTEJ DHILLON WAS THE FIRST MEMBER OF THE RCMP TO WEAR A TURBAN. AT THE TIME HE FACED A LOT OF ADVERSITY. BUT OVER THE YEARS HE MANAGED TO CHANGE ATTITUDES AND TO ATTRACT A WHOLE LOT OF SUPPORT. NOW NEARLY 30 YEARS LATER DHILLON IS RETIRING FROM THE FORCE AND TONIGHT HIS REFLECTION ON BOTH THE STRUGGLES AND THE PROGRESS IS OUR “MOMENT.”>>A YOUNGER VERSION OF ME. AND PROBABLY I NEED TO GET TO THAT WEIGHT. [laughter] IT WAS 1989 WHEN I WAS TOLD THAT I WASN’T GOING TO BE ACCEPTED BECAUSE OF MY ARTICLES OF FAITH. I WASN’T PREPARED TO SHAVE MY BEARD AND REMOVE MY TURBAN AND CUT MY HAIR TO CONFORM TO THE RCMP DRESS UNIFORM AND REGULATIONS AT THE TIME. WELL, I THINK THAT THE COUNTRY DEBATED THE ISSUE. THERE WERE VOICES FOR AND AGAINST.>>WE DON’T HAVE MUCH LEFT TO OUR TRADITIONS. ADAPT TO WHAT?>>THE ONES WORKING BEHIND THE CURTAIN WERE DEALING WITH IT I THINK IN A MORE SYSTEMATIC WAY.>>DHILLON HAS PASSED…>>THE RCMP COMMISSIONER CAME FACE-TO-FACE WITH THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS. AND I SHOULD NOT BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. I SET OUT TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER. MY JOB DEFINES ME. MY WORK ETHIC DEFINES ME. WHO I AM AS A POLICE OFFICER DEFINES ME. THAT’S WHAT I WANT MY LEGACY TO BE. NOT THAT I WAS THE FIRST GUY WITH A TURBAN.>>Rosemary: SO I DO REMEMBER THAT STORY QUITE VIVIDLY BUT I THINK THAT I HEARD YOUR VOICE IN THAT PIECE SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.>>Ian: WELL, I LIVED THROUGH IT AND I DID THE LEAD PIECE ON “THE NATIONAL” THAT NIGHT. AND, ROSIE, I CAN’T TELL HOW BIG A NATIONAL ISSUE THAT WAS. DID YOU SEE THAT LITTLE LAPEL PIN THAT SAID “KEEP THE RCMP CANADIAN.” THAT’S HOW PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPONENTS OF THIS FELT. AND THE CLIPS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE BAR, ERIC RANKIN DID THAT PIECE AND ERIC’S DESK IS RIGHT OVER THERE AND I’D LIKE HIM TO FIND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE COMPLAINING AT THE TIME THAT THIS WOULD CHANGE THE RCMP FOREVER AND SEE 30 YEARS LATER HAD THEIR VIEWS MODERATED AT ALL.>>Rosemary: YEAH AND IT’S HAPPENING AS THAT DEBATE AROUND RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS HAS TAKEN PLACE IN QUÉBEC. AND PROBABLY THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN QUÉBEC IN PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND OTHER THINGS. SO, ANYWAY, THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS MONDAY, AUGUST 5th. GOODNIGHT, EVERYONE.>>Ian: GOODNIGHT.

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