The Passion Of Bradley Manning (with Chase Madar)

spring wife’s on the phone it’s a pleasure to welcome
to the program chased by dr. he is the author cooperation save the passion a
Bradley Manning a civil rights attorney as well chase welcome to the program hey thanks
for having me out I chase now I Bradley Manning will be
sentenced today at apparently 1 p.m. Eastern as far as I
understand it and the he is facing I as of this morning it
seemed he was facing up to 136 years in prison it now appears that the judge
has as lowered the mandatory the ceiling is that correct is something
like ninety six years I’m not sure there’s a big difference but I do you know anything about that yet
that because they’ve merged some of the charges and which Bradley
Manning was convicted the new maximum is ninety years thirty years okay now I am weakest let’s point out that this
actually that’s a life sentence indeed an let’s
as a I mean let’s the church go back if we
could I for people who have not been a
necessarily filing to try out to a certain extent we’ve been doing so on this program but I just if
you could give us a a brief history I love above Bradley Manning we know that he was responsible for
leaking the collateral damage video as well as the thousands I love State Department
cables which included assessments love about
what was going on in Afghanistan as well as in Iraq but please just he give us a brief history
want sure private first class Bradley Manning from a small town in oklahoma he
volunteered for the Army is one does and in 2010 he was deployed to Iraq where he was working in army
intelligence at a very remote base in the muddy inkatha desert and he’s pretty idealistic young
guy the really but that Operation Iraqi
Freedom would be about Iraqi Freedom then he saw his mission is try to help people try to save civilian
lives and try to prevent his fellow soldiers from get killed but when he’s in Iraq after a few months
see starts to have a very different picture
of what is really going on in our occupation in our war over there he sees that a torture is still widely practiced by the iraqi
authorities and he knows that there’s an official US
policy a secret policy to do nothing about it and that’s an order that comes direct
from Donald Rumsfeld himself and he sees that there’s a lot of civilian
deaths a lot of civilians being killed checkpoints a it Casey said this is a
very nasty thing the real turning point for miss when
he’s order to look into the rest up a bunch of iraqi civilians who were heading out a
pamphlet about corruption financial malfeasance in the
Iraqi government have what’s called where does the money go and these people
are rounded up and arrested by the iraqi authority and he’s Bradley Manning is worried that they
might be torture doesn’t know what a scam to me rights to a supervisor and according to
Manning is supervisor just said hey shut up in and it just keep helping the
Iraqi authorities wrapped up more people and according to many that’s when some
pics mapped and he it begins leaking thinks to WikiLeaks including the corrupt Collateral Murder
video can watch it Collateral Murder dot com at that serve pick gun safe you have a
helicopter as its cutting down a crowd of mostly civilians
there couple armed guys but mostly civilians in a in
a crowded Baghdad suburb from alive 2007 then he week the
Iraqi war logs a lot of your reports from there field
reports from the Afghan war about a quarter-million State Department
cables majority of which are not classified in any way by the way 10 and we should say to the
extent that for what he did leak not ovett in in this is important because we hear the
debate about dr. Bradley Manning as to whether
or not his is status is as a whistleblower I daniel ellsberg is often brought up is
as he’s I as a as it gets contrast what the Manning did a in terms defining
his whistle blower but we should say right off the bat that what the
classification the things that Manning leaked was in no
way as top secret as those that daniel
ellsberg late yeah it’s quite correct i mean many
people particularly people than older generation are very eager to draw these tortured distinctions between daniel
ellsberg and Bradley Manning but in fact the main
legal differences the several thousand documents that
ellsberg week were uniformly top-secret worse not a single one of the
thousands Bradley Manning’s leaked documents stop Seacrest daniel ellsberg himself by
the way it does not buy into this distinction on he’s
Bradley Manning’s biggest defender a if you know daniel ellsberg is also
said that all the bad things that people are saying about Manning right now that
he has blood on his hands that he harmed American troops that he yo was bad for diplomacy all of those
things were said about ellsberg at in the his time forty years
ago and it’s just that ellsberg’s now then I’ll rehabilitated and he’s no longer
such a controversial figure it he’s widely admired accommodate among
whistle blower resistor 30 min eyes to apologized and the time but later on
people come to appreciate what they’ve done and we should say as
well Indian Creek me if I’m wrong but my understanding is that that the there’s also the distinct
there’s a distinction in terms ove above the level love a classification but also the nature of the documents I in this goes towards the the charges are were not about any type love military maneuvers per se or any type military
strategy or I or anything that could mean anyway have a militarily benefited I supposedly are our enemies yeah it’s
quite right and I mean all the military field reports to basically reports that
were written up after specific incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan they are 10
minutes from strategy meetings or anything like that that’s all notes about things that happened in the past mean that some think that was
true about ellsberg’s weeks to I you know when these weeks when Bradley medically came out people
were screaming bloody murder boat and government that media in the
military say how this kid’s got blood on his hands 6 you know it’s hard america’s interest
his heart Afghan civilians a three years later no one’s been able
to come up with any specific concrete examples up a soldier
civilian being are in Iraq or in Afghanistan at a car I official in the state
department was testifying yesterday for the prosecution
in the sentencing hearings he couldn’t come up with a
single specific example up a State Department source per contact
being parked the best he could do was say that
there’s been an overall chilling effect about which US pretty
darn a vague as well so were we’re seeing that three
years after this week’s they have not caused armageddon they have not caused
strategic failure for america but I do want to point out that the same
people so tend to wring their hands about this you peace
speculated in at this point wholly imaginary
civilian casualties caused by WikiLeaks are utterly silent about the real
civilian casualties caused by our war in Afghanistan right now and you
know i i was fascinated when that when these leaks came out there was I there was it seemed
to be there was sort of like a parallel there was there was two parallel narratives one is
this is incredibly dumb damaging to US national security and
then the other which seem to be in the the media in many respects was
like there’s nothing new here I i mean in for a long time I i heard that you
know I was doing a lot of appearances on MSNBC at the time in
there was a lot of pooh-poohing there’s no new information
here but then for the the following two or three years I’ll those cables would come up in the
context stories almost on a weekly if not biweekly basis just in this country lot absolutely i
mean that the it after minimize the leaks is we knew all that already that their
really them but doesn’t watch i mean the New
York Times was running daily headline stories based on the leak
so word newspapers and well established magazines around the world in often these leaks
confirm what many people suspected or they give real
concrete evidence to with people may have spot was going on but having
that confirmation and that concrete evidence a what US
policy is all about in Iraq Afghanistan also that’s really valuable and a lot of
journalists and scholars have made hey with the week you expert Jeremy Scahill this book dirty wars he’s a big fan of
Bradley Manning’s weeks to scholars trujillo cater to more
professional minority audiences say they cover a
great book by david keene a professor at the London
School of Economics cock useful enemies all that the dynamics of other war to the new book going to to rentbuy
flipped and Hillary Mann Leverett to former foreign policy officials who have
written about US Iran policy both rely heavily on Wikileaks so
they’ve definitely answered the bloodstream up scholarship better for our general
consciousness and does countries where people are politicized and wound up
state Tunisia the the leaks have had a a really
explosive impact they mean the leaks were one of the factors I’m not consider the only factor but
they’re one of the factors that sparked the rebellion against the
dictator in Tunisia that something Bradley
Manning can be prouder n I would I would even go even further
me cuz we’re talking about documents and information that was available to 1.4 million people and when we would hear
from establishment folks that this is this is stuff that we already knew or
that we already suspected the whole point in in in the reason why
we’re talking about this because this goes to his status as a whistleblower the point is that this stuff was made
more public not simply you know if the argument is that well we
already knew this but that information was really to the
extent that the Wii here is not the 1.4 million is still a
smaller subset then the public at large in so we now know other things ranging from I’ll the idea that Washington was
lobbying against an increase in minimum wage in Haiti
that the US had I had suppressed efforts to a to to pursue a torture indictments in European countries mean list goes on and
on from your perspective what what other important a.m. fax do we now know and by we I mean the
general public not those who consider themselves either
were not part of that subset of the 1.4 million people have
access to that information or the other smaller a subset then the
the public at those people just felt that they were savvy to this stuff yeah I made us apart all kinds have
important information that come to light but I think one of the most important
makes its in the diplomatic able to chose the US State Department lobbying the
Haitian government to keep the minimum wage down in Haiti this is the poorest
country in the Americas and it seems like our state department
is acting like a lobbyist for big garment manufactures like a & Fruit of
the Loom out corsets legal for the State
Department to do this but that doesn’t make it any less horrible or atrocious and thats it’s something that we absolutely should
know about have a right to know about up many of
the things that probably mattingly they are strictly illegal and it’s
amazing how many atrocities nowadays are safely within
the bounds up the law and that’s not to defend
these horrible things that the US military is doing a broad or
state department but it just shows a well how pliable the law is in the
Hansbrough the world’s biggest superpower in it
also speaks to the justification love keeping faith these things secret I
mean if they’re ostensibly legal if there is
I am the the mean the it so it’s hard to find
a justification as to if this is the US government policy that he should have a lower minimum wage
why is it that the american public a.m. that this policy can be formed
without any type of informed consent above its citizens yeah absolutely I
mean why there’s no justification whatsoever for
that being a secret or really for anything
else that i’ve seen in these cables eight people people have
reacted even a lot of american media types and intellectuals have reacted in such a strange way to
peace weeks reacted frequently by panicking about
how this is going to open the floodgates and we’re gonna have total transparency in
government will cease to function minutes this panicky trine a but what what Bradley Manning elite is less well under 1 percent to Port
Washington classifies and any given year maybe when it comes to secrecy and
transparency we have in fact been a slippery slope in the past decade and that’s towards effort greater state
secrecy the last year Washington classified $95
million documents that’s up from $92 million year before 77 million year before that
was only seventeen million ten years ago we’ve got this
astronomical increase in extreme state secrecy this is the real threat to functioning
government to a functioning society this is the real threat to our national
security to me when people are clueless in are
kept in the dark by the government you find that a nation that’s a pretty stupid thinks like
invade Iraq current aight south vietnam use an earlier example this kind of
cluelessness has a very heavy price in blood money especially the blood of foreign peoples
as well as our a.m. that’s why these weeks or so
important we need to get a clue if we’re going to stop this kind of a bloody destructive and
self-destructive rampage what what what do you think
accounts for the i mean we’re we’re we’re seeing such a huge just those numbers are you presented in
terms of the the growth I love love this these type
classifications why it would what accounts for this I
mean it’s impossible to imagine that in some
way the world is is a is exponentially more dangerous I for america today than it was thirty years ago are or even fifteen
years ago or even five years ago I what what
accounts for this growth in this massive up serve I don’t even
know how to really express but this this growth to a love this notion of
what must be maintained secret that we must
have a a a special group of people in the country cuz you know we’re
talking now a million-and-a-half people who have access to the secrets what what accounts for this well you’ve
got two things first of all you have this
incredible growth at the national security apparatus since
9/11 and secrecy extreme excessive secrecy
was a problem even before then but it really took off after 9/11 you just have rivers money being poured into this alphabet
soup security agencies sparked a huge
building boom in the Washington DC area all this
is covered really well in a series of reports for
the washington post a few years ago by Dana priest and then a book she wrote with David
Arkin called top secret America and this whole jumble agencies is credibly uncoordinated there’s a lot
of overlap horribly inefficient a of em the officials that they were
interviewing didn’t even know what the acronyms and agencies really stood for up and you have this huge all-out that
really doesn’t have anything to do with keeping us safer or more secure for producing better
foreign policy results it’s just throwing money at a problem
per notices that to a large degree
congress’s fault people need to stand up and say yet this should not be the top priority
we should spend their money on other things rather than all this useless a security
organizations but secondly as the US has become the
world’s only superpower it’s just more hyper involved in the rest of the world and the default setting for anything
that the US does about is to make it secret and that’s literally the default setting
there’s one great State Department whistleblower Peter
Ventura who got fired as a result to read a great memoir about being a civilian official
in Iraq during the occupation we met well and he’s written that email he sent from
iraq was automatically label a secret and you see this
duplicated everywhere there’s no incentive to not make
something secret if you work in the state department
direct foreign policy here one other security agencies and as a result these incentives just
create it generates in incredible extreme
dystopian levels secrecy when we when we view Bradley Manning threw this Lanza being a
whistle-blower is that part love what we should be aware of is
simply that not only was he I blowing the whistle on on specific a events and dynamics are taking place
but also on the very nature up the growth of the national security
state yeah I mean these weeks if they’ve just
showed a assigned to a pretty narrow beam of light but a valuable one nonetheless into how
our government works I you know what the the scale of all
this is at the no Bradley Manning I think he’s
keep definitely qualifies as a whistleblower police also something more
than I think he’s also just an anti-secrecy activist a good
thing to we need more of them because sweet do
have extreme levels secrecy this country and I it the point of this
is that that there should be no secrecy
whatsoever I don’t think anyone with say that now defense Juliana size after five whiskeys not
Bradley Manning not be up you know some secrets are
legitimately don’t want nuclear launch codes floating around Jennifer in war maybe troop movements
should not be widely advertised on the Internet the rest that’s not the problem here
mean and despite the hysterical accusations
against WikiLeaks and Bradley Manning thats not at all what they’ve released a the
problem that we have is extreme levels of secrecy that are just
choking off any badly-needed public debate and that’s one of the things that has
enabled the kind of foreign policy failure that we have seen over the past
ten years very steadily let’s let’s turn to the to
the to the government response a Bradley Manning a has been I in prison now for nearly three years I am end tell us about the the first off it tells about his
imprisonment because I think this goes I we have a lot of evidence and I I mean I think it’s it’s not terribly
controversial at this point to say that in in some respects a he was in fact the treated his treatment specifically for
about a nine month period are constituted torture yeah absolutely so for the first two months about me
manques captivity he was in Iraq into Kuwait in solitary confinement I put a month there are some suicide
watch this seems to have been some justification for it but then they moved him to the Marine
Corps brig in Quantico Virginia kept up this punitive isolation
confinement you’re saying a sensibly was for sound
good but it’s come out then the court hearings that the the military
zone doctors and psychiatrists kept on telling the president to get him
out punitive isolation that there was no need for it that its damaging to put someone in
isolation if they don’t need it if they’re not a risk to anybody or
themselves but the military prison kept him in
district punitive isolation and for part of this time he was
stripped naked deprived of his classes a the whole time he was not allowed even
to do push-ups in a cell’s not allowed to lie down he had a answer regarding every five
minutes of his waking hours to the question are you all right now that’s up
they would drive anyone absolutely crazy it what exercise
he was allowed this was just you know running around wearing
a you know prison issue boots that were
too big without laces sometimes with manacles a I doing figure eights and in
this room that wasn’t even that much bigger
than cell and many people look at this and say wow
this is the way the Soviet Union treated political
prisoners and they’re right also true we should keep in mind that
this is the way we in the United States to read a whole lot of our prisoners
with eighty thousand prisoners duyck solitary confinement long-term
right now a that’s just the fact that it’s 0
comments or normal doesn’t make it any less awful it makes
it even more awful and I think of this is properly seen as
torture a the UN Special Rapporteur on torture a said formally charged the that this
treatment where at the at a minimum constituted cruel and
inhuman and degrading treatment well would didn’t a judge at one point
also recognize this in the Corsa above the
trial yes the judge did rule to Bradley
Manning’s treatment was illegal at least several months a
bit she gave a very cautious ruling there and as a result Bradley Manning whatever
census still have no 124 days subtracted from it pretty cold comfort given how much he
could be sentenced for but it is a judicial fact that this
treatment was illegal it was quite showing the year
the testimony in this prison guards didn’t think they had done anything
wrong yahweh has gotten expert medical advice
saying don’t do this to the poor guy but they certainly are screw the doctor
we’re gonna go head lock ’em up a shock response are some debate over why they did this
with a deliberately try to break Bradley Manning at making
implicate Juliana sized what they just try to make it be example
of him to discourage other possible leakers and
whistleblowers there may be some truth to that but I
think a the largest recent rich people tended to ignore is
that this is just ordinary dole tisch cruelty american
presence anti-american penal culture this is how
we treat so many people and there’s nothing unfortunately very
extraordinary about it it is clear that the government
and in and as far as we know there’s still a
grand jury I think attempting to to indict I Juliana signs but it is
clear that the government no a ads you know some interest in placing weeki leaks outside love the context
love love have a journalistic outfit in this
instance I am just speak to a Bradley Manning’s attempts to I provide this information
to other outlets that ultimately ended up being presented to the public through
attends a newspapers around the world are but but
but speak to that to the relevance love that mean I know within the context
of the case the government said it would have made a
difference had he given this information directly to the
New York Times say I’ll speak to the the implications love I love that assessment by the government
as well yeah he Bradley Manning to try to
contact but the New York Times and The Washington Post before he went to WikiLeaks but neither those papers head the mechanism set up
to deal with someone like Bradley Manning
someone leaking documents I hope they do now open bet on it a that however would not have had any
impact according to the the prosecution a and the charges that
they hit Bradley Manning with the prosecutor said a couple of times
the trial that even if Bradley Manning head contract lead to the times they would be going with the exact same
aiding the enemy charges Espionage Act charges I spoke to
remember the aiding the enemy charges the enemy does not mean we cue weeks to
meet al Qaeda associates a what what does this mean that I mean
week Elise’s marginal less established its not a name brand
its Internet only a lot of people particularly people who
have not grown up with the internet find it therefore just automatically sinister
like it must not be a real media organization people have
grown up with internet don’t art so freaked out by it and say
it’s just another media organization now the media shield law that the Obama
administration has been carting out in an effort to make nice
with journalists after over horrible things they’ve done to the
journalistic community into it’s really not much of an
improvement over what we have now in fact in many ways it’s a great deal worse for one thing it makes explicit who can be counted as a legit journalist
and who not and that definition is something
that will be controlled mostly by the government not by you know
people and if they decide that week you access
at the real media organization for their purposes then they are not
going to joy any of the protections the at the new york times or or Fox News my process so that the efforts a Obama administration to knows to journalists and Suter public after
all these intrusive horrible things they’ve done to reporters lately I i think thats a gift
that should be rejected lets our let’s talk about the the the charges the the government could
have accepted a the a.m. the a the the guilty plea to 10 lesser charges that Manning offered I some weeks ago it continued on to pursue a the a charger love espionage under the or several charges of
espionage under the Espionage Act of 1917 including the crime aiding the enemy this my
understanding is that this is the first time that I am this statute as reconfigured I has actually been adjudicated upon in the context of the OVA OVA case I
mean other people have been charged with this but it’s just the
cases have been gone this far that’s right you sleep these Espionage
Act charges have collapsed upon impact with the real court in a
real judge or taken settled with a plea deal
but this is the first time that a the use if the Espionage Act
against domestic leaker whistleblower has been
adjudicated fully para but I think it’s sets a really terrible precedent here II know
some people think it’s great that they aiding the
enemy charges didn’t stick I think that’s great too but the verdict
is still terrible and it’s terrible because this just
encourages the government to use this antiquated vague and overly broad a statute from 1917 to go after domestic whistleblowers and leakers and that’s not what the law
was intended to be used for up but here you have it the Obama
administration you know this is going after
whistleblowers with this antique piece of legislation with Althea vindictive furious richard milhouse
nixon and the fact that we know that these charges
can stick thanks to this ruling is is bad for
journalism as it’s quite to dry up not all sources but it’s going to make people really
think twice before they get in touch with journalist to report all kinds of abuse delineate
for us the that the charges within the
Espionage Act that he was convicted upon end and and and tell us why he was found that the I the the crime a aiding the enemy he was
not convicted upon but he was able to to you know get past aiding the enemy
charges distance Dec the simple reason that the the
government just did not have the evidence they had to prove specific
knowledge which is close to specific intent but
not quite that Manning wanted or knew that his
weeks would help al Qaeda I and big the government was
just not even very close to proving this
there’s no evidence that Bradley Manning you know wanted to help us on a bit lot
I was just kinda far fetched nonsense from the start but the espionage Act cases you in some
ways it’s broader you just have to show that it’s
information that could conceivably help enemies or a you know whoever they are and and all that stuff past and that’s a a lot that goes not just against soldiers but
against anyone to so the precedents that are set
in this in this the military because this was a this was
a in military court because a it there is no there’s no jury a but the
president said here in terms of white I am surpasses the bar for these a helmet so the Espionage Act can
be transferred into I into civilian courts that’s right know the precedential value for the
Espionage Act charges sticking that will pass over into
civilian courts for sure I mean it seems to me i mean
you know earned in your own attorney I am I’m not but it seems to me that the idea that you know one could make
the argument that anybody is our enemy or adversary
anyways I if they’re not us and that a.m. anything that’s release that in any way
I am you know could be construed in some way
as aiding them I mean you know information is power right mean
if you’ve been powered are enemies slash adversaries then year he seems to me that you could be
subject to this cool no absolutely them and that’s one other
problems with the vagueness and the incredible breadth of this law i
meani according to official washington
everything is a national security matter me just about everything and
thats the the we really needed narrower
definition their otherwise people don’t even know
when they are violating this law orkut be no criminally prosecuted for the notion irv that the the US
government is a trying to encourage a other countries too I guess them you know a get rid of Corey increase patents on generic drugs
theoretically right I mean if you’re if you’re I your leaking that information that
could see maybe aid the our adversaries who who may have other laws are other plans
to do with their a the their generic drugs I mean it it
just seems in are absolutely in a anything
everything a security i mean you had condo Lisa rice just Cooper report about
how America’s failing public schools are
national security threat maybe it its reached the point of
ridiculousness and I think we’re starting to see some
pushback long overdue with the snow had an affair and you have politicians even on air
both sides to the partisan divide you are saying wait a minute a you can’t do you can spy on all Americans in the
name of security a you can’t do dragnet surveillance and
and you know wiretap people and get access
to their phone records in the name of security that’s not
security that dystopian surveillance and so that at least a good thing that
we’re getting with the snow affair n how might mean aside from just
heard the general chilling a impact of this on on journalists i mean is there anything
in particular in these charges that will that could directly implicate journalism going forward well E in this case that the threat is
western journalists that %uh sources and you journalism his relied confidential sources leaking classified
material for a long time and that’s nothing new it’s been tacitly
accepted most the time I mean it today’s
headlines to New York time someone was leaking classified material about the weekend terror scare and possible terror threats in Yemen at that will almost certainly
not result in any kind of criminal
investigation pro and that the reason why this is
important it’s not just because it’s a matter inconvenienced journalist me know
otherwise who with care this matters because when you have lousy
journalism but doesn’t report on important foreign policy questions to
national security questions you usually get lousy foreign policy
results when you wake up one morning and you’ve
got half a million troops in South Vietnam or that you’ve invaded iraq for no strategic or humid
humanitarian reasons this is the price blassie journalism
this is the price if not knowing what your government is doing and it’s not just a matter goody
two-shoes principal it’s a matter of blood shares usually you foreign peoples blood but plenty of
our own lives lost to a lot of money down the hall and that’s
why this is so awkward Manning is is set to be sentenced in
about 15 minutes as far as I can II know at this
point I’m is there is there are their grounds
for appeal is there a a system for appeal what happens next to Bradley Manning Sam I’m gonna
tell you that I’ve gotta go move my car on the side of the road right now but a there is the I don’t think there’s much
grounds for appeal they I don’t think there’s any courtroom
procedure a miracle can get clemency for Bradley Manning I
think any hope a Bradley Manning getting freedom wall
will come from a political push and it’s going to have
to be pretty Wachter for some kind of computation or pardon
and I think it’s going to have to be international on character I think the
push to get and Nobel Peace Prize for him is a
worthy effort but I don’t think it’s gonna be in any
kind of appeals process I you know this isn’t in Example love
about good system of laws being improperly
manipulated to railroad some up there’s a little bit about but mainly
we have a terrible system applause when it comes to secrecy classification and punishing
whistleblowers a the launch themselves or rock it’s a
systemic problem and it’s only in reforming them and it
kinda growing political awareness stay in the united states above all that
we’re going to get any kind of clemency for graphic chase Minnaar civil rights
attorney to an author co author of passion I love Bradley Manning thanks so much for
joining us thank you said great talking with just

12 thoughts on “The Passion Of Bradley Manning (with Chase Madar)

  • I think a good first step is to stop referring to American war crimes as something that "we" did when it is something that "they", ruling class America did not us from the peasant class. Well, unless you're a peasant class voter then you are just as guilty as the ruling masters you choose to represent you. But for the non-voters this "we" that is often referred to is not the "us" that I belong to.

  • So you think the Collateral Murder video was perfectly acceptable behavior for our military to be engaging in?

  • On the contrary, he didn't breach his oath, he upheld it, by reporting war crimes, as is his duty as an American soldier. Too bad we don't have more like him.

  • Only a voter has a representative. The non-voter represents himself. I decided that instead of protesting, getting angry, fighting or being a duped voter that I would create a better social economic model than America. So that's what I did. NumeroSetDotNet

  • You mean to tell me of ALL the data he dumped, it is only a COINCIDENCE that he didn't leak information that compromised agents in the field?
    You think that he was so irresponsible that the data he leaked actually contained no identifying information about our cloak-and-dagger ops?

    To believe that the information didn't compromise our agents was nothing but dumb luck is just willful ignorance.

    The only thing compromised was the US governments propaganda of "We're the good guys!"

  • Governments and nations and other made up ideological entities exist only because people choose to act them out from their imaginations. These things don't exist outside of ourselves. All we have to do is stop believing in them and thus stop participating in them and they vanish with the tides of the imagination.

  • The government lied about the true body count as well as the massacres soldiers committed.

    He didn't breach his oath, he upheld his duty as a soldier to report his governments crimes.

    Just because a war criminal general classifies something doesn't mean that it's no longer a crime. They just don't want to get sent to the hague and put on trial for the atrocities they ordered.

  • Except he did indeed try to bring some of the information to his superiors through the chain of command, they shrugged it off. So he did what whistleblowers do, and circumvented the chain of command, and he plead guilty to that. Furthermore, Wikileaks and the other journalists who obtained the Afghan War Logs offered the US government a chance to screen the information with them, the government refused, so they did their own screening the best they could.

  • Surely at the very least they could tell him who to bring it to, or bring it there themselves. After all, they are sworn to uphold the same oaths as he is.

    If the government is unwilling to work with journalists who are trying to be responsible, that is their own problem, and had anything`bad actually happened as a result of the leaks, would have been on their heads far more than Mannings.

  • The US should just drop the pretense that it is a democracy and imprison and/or execute all dissidents including Bradley Manning

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