2 thoughts on “There is no free will in the christian worldview

  • If we are chosen by God, then Romans 8:29 and Ephesians 1:4 are true.
    Otherwise, if we choose salvation, then Matthew 6:12 and 1 John 1:9 are true.

    So, it is impossible know the truth by just the Bible. And so, my thought is, let us reach agreement on real facts, honest facts and physical reality as it transpires in real time and real space.

    Chosen by God — Calvinists
    For he chose us in him before the creation of the world… predestined us to be Eph 1:4
    For he who knows the future has predestined a few to conform to… his Son Ro 8:29

    Freewill to choose — Arminians
    Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. Mt 6:12
    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins 1 John 1:9

    Truth is, since the beginning of civilization, the more intelligent upper-half of society has hoarded all the land, wealth and political power, while the laboring-class lower-half has left the starving, homeless and refugees to perish. Which means that 99% of humans were destined to die sinners and that saving sinners has absolutely nothing to do with the grand scheme of things.

    For in all the heavenly realms there is not one sinner, which means that all those created beings have a desire to do only good and beneficial things. Which means that planet earth has but one purpose, to show that God is loving and just in not allowing heavenly beings to have a freewill with a desire to sin.

    “We love because he first loved us” 1 John 4:19

    We love God in the only spiritual way possible, by giving God something impossible for him to create, our gratitude which is the only thing we can create without material support from God.

    For the major cause of spiritual darkness in Christianity, is the illusion that our inner goodness combined with our free choice, two things that could only come from God, that giving back to God a small portion of what he gave us, that this is what qualifies us for salvation. In short, that God is our puppy dog, as he must please us well enough so that we are sure to choose salvation.

  • OFF TOPIC — For the issue is not who has the power to choose, God, man or both, but what is the purpose of planet earth? For since the beginning of civilization, the more intelligent upper-half of society has hoarded all the land, wealth and political power, while the laboring-class lower-half has left the starving, the homeless and refugees to perish. Which means that 99% of humans were destined to die sinners and that saving sinners has absolutely nothing to do with the grand scheme of things.

    See my next comment.

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