This is The National for Monday, Sept. 30, 2019 — Fight for Ontario, Face to Face


(*)>>Adrienne: TONIGHT, JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND FIVE UNDECIDED VOTERS.>>Andrew: “FACE-TO-FACE” RIGHT HERE IN THE “THE NATIONAL” STUDIO.>>I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT YOU’LL DO TO HELP US.>>Andrew: THE LIBERAL LEADER ON WHAT CANADIAN FAMILIES NEED AND THOSE IMAGES.>>IS THAT MY PRIME MINISTER?>>Andrew: ROSEMARY HOSTS A SPECIAL TELEVISION EVENT.>>Adrienne: ALSO TONIGHT, ACCUSATIONS OF TREASON, SPYING AND THE SPECTRE OF CIVIL WAR. DONALD TRUMP LASHES OUT.>>Andrew: FOREVER 21 CLOSES UP SHOP IN CANADA. WHAT IT MEANS FOR FAST FASHION.>>Adrienne: AND A CANADIAN DETAINED IN HONG KONG.>>I’M JUST STANDING IN FRONT OF THE RIOT POLICE OF HONG KONG.>>Adrienne: WE GET HIS STORY MOMENTS AFTER HE’S RELEASED.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>Andrew: AS WE HIT THE MIDPOINT OF THIS FEDERAL CAMPAIGN, WE’RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS WEEK.>>Adrienne: WE’RE HELPING VOTERS TO PUT THE QUESTIONS THAT MATTER MOST TO THEM DIRECTLY TO THE FEDERAL PARTY LEADERS IN PERSON. AND TODAY THAT WAS LIBERAL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU WHO IS FIGHTING TO KEEP HIS JOB FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. HE’S THE FIRST TO GO FACE-TO-FACE WITH OUR VOTERS IN THE STUDIO. AND FACE-TO-FACE WITH YOU TOO, ROSIE. I GUESS THAT THERE’S BROAD AND AT TIMES POINTED CONVERSATIONS?>>Rosemary: YEAH, IT WAS IN FRONT OF A STUDIO AUDIENCE OF UNDECIDED VOTERS. THAT’S WHY YOU SEE ALL OF THESE CHAIRS BEHIND ME. FIVE OF THEM ASKED QUESTIONS OF THE FEDERAL LEADERS AND AS THE LIBERAL LEADER FOUND OUT THEY SPOKE THEIR MINDS. CANADIANS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY WERE CHOSEN TO ASK JUSTIN TRUDEAU QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR OWN LIVES AND HOW A LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD HELP THEM. [Applause] TRUDEAU KNEW ONLY THE BROAD TOPICS AND LITTLE ELSE.>>I DO HAVE MY CONCERNS…>>Rosemary: LISTRA SAM, AN ENTREPRENEUR FROM VANCOUVER ZEROED IN ON AFFORDABILITY, CAN SHE EVER MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A HOUSE IN CANADA’S MOST EXPENSIVE CITY.>>WHO CAN MAKE A MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE YEAR? LIKE, EVEN IN MANY YEARS OF HAVING A BUSINESS, WHO CAN MAKE A MILLION DOLLARS?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WE HEARD THIS CHALLENGE FROM CANADIANS RIGHT ACROSS COUNTRY SO WE SOMETHING CALLED FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS’ INCENTIVE.>>Rosemary: TRUDEAU’S RECORD WAS UNDER SCRUTINY, INCLUDING TRADE DEALS THAT HAVE OPEN ACCESS TO THE DAIRY MARKET.>>MR. TRUDEAU, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.>>Rosemary: A MANITOBA DAIRY FARMER ALAIN PHILADEAU SAID THAT LEFT HIS FAMILY IN NEED OF HELP.>>WILL YOU MAKE DIRECT PAYMENTS TO FARMERS OR A LOTTERY PROGRAMME?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WE’RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT ON THE CPTPP ONE AND ON THE NAFTA ONE THAT WE GET THAT RIGHT.>>WE ARE A PLURALISTIC SOCIETY.>>Rosemary: TRUDEAU WAS ALSO CONFRONTED BY ANARA ABOUT THOSE IMAGES FROM THE PAST OF HIM IN BLACK AND BROWNFACE.>>WHAT ARE PERSONAL ACTIONS THAT YOU’LL BE TAKING?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: I KNOW THAT I’M GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT MORE THAN EVER BEFORE FOR INCLUSION. DIVERSITY IS A FACT AND INCLUSION IS A CHOICE.>>Rosemary: SO THAT’S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HOW THINGS WENT AND YOU’LL SEE MORE LATER IN THE SHOW. FOR NOW THOUGH LET’S TURN TURN TO THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TODAY. BOTH JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND ANDREW SCHEER STUMPED IN OR AROUND TORONTO. BOTH MADE REFERENCE TO PROVINCIAL POLITICIANS. DAVID COCHRANE EXPLAINS WHY. [Cheers and Applause]>>Reporter: YESTERDAY HE MADE HIS PITCH, TODAY HE PLAYED HIS WEDGE. WITH THE PLATFORM OUT, JUSTIN TRUDEAU PIVOTED BACK TO GUNS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: THE CHOICE FOR CANADIANS IS CRYSTAL CLEAR — LIBERALS WILL STRENGTHEN GUN CONTROL. CONSERVATIVES WILL WEAKEN GUN CONTROL.>>Reporter: TO AMPLIFY HIS MESSAGE, A TOWN HALL WITH DOCTORS WHO HAVE TREATED SHOOTING VICTIMS.>>I ASK ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO UNDERSTAND THAT HARM, INJURY AND DEATH FROM GUNS IS A PREVENTABLE PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. AND THAT LEGISLATIVE ACTION IS NECESSARY.>>Reporter: GUN VIOLENCE IS A KEY ISSUE IN THE BIG CITY RIDINGS AND IN THE BATTLEGROUND SEATS THAT FORM A RING AROUND TORONTO THAT MAY VERY WELL DECIDE THIS ELECTION. ANOTHER FACTOR IN THE 905s IS PREMIER DOUG FORD. AND IT WAS ANGER OVER FORD’S CHANGES TO AUTISM SERVICES THAT BROUGHT PARENTS TO ANDREW SCHEER’S EVENT IN WHITBY.>>THEY DECIMATED THE ONTARIO AUTISM PROGRAMME THEY HAVE DENIED ME THERAPY AND TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AUTISTIC CHILDREN IN ONTARIO.>>I WON’T BE VOTING FOR ANDREW SCHEER JUST BECAUSE OF DOUG FORD AND WHAT HE’S DONE TO MY FAMILY.>>Reporter: FEELING THE HEAT, SCHEER MADE A PIVOT OF HIS OWN IN THIS ONTARIO-FOCUSED CAMPAIGN BY PROXY, INVOKING THE NAME OF THE LIBERAL PREMIER DOUG FORD DEFEATED.>>KATHLEEN WYNNE LEFT ONTARIO IN NEAR RUINS AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS DOING THE SAME THING TO CANADA. WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN.>>Reporter: THE FORD FALLOUT IS AN ISSUE THAT THE CONSERVATIVES CAN’T CONTROL, BUT IT’S DEFINITELY ONE THAT THEY NEED TO MANAGE. OF COURSE, NEITHER DOUG FORD NOR KATHLEEN WYNNE ARE ON THE BALLOT IN THIS ELECTION, BUT THE PARTIES WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY’RE AT LEAST ON THE MINDS OF ONTARIO VOTERS. DAVID COCHRANE, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: TOMORROW ANDREW SCHEER WILL GO FACE-TO-FACE WITH VOTERS HERE ON “THE NATIONAL” BUT TONIGHT JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S TURN. YOU’LL SEE THAT IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES. ANDREW?>>Andrew: SOUNDS GOOD.>>>QUÉBEC OWES AN APOLOGY TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, ACCORDING TO A PROVINCIAL INQUIRY. A NEW REPORT SAYS THAT THEY FACED SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION FROM THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AND WHEN ACCESSING SOCIAL SERVICES. NOW THAT PUBLIC APOLOGY IS NUMBER ONE OF 142 CALLS TO ACTION IN TODAY’S REPORT. OTHERS INCLUDE EXTENDING THE TIME LIMIT FOR FILING POLICE ETHICS COMPLAINTS AND IMPROVING INDIGENOUS LANGUAGE AND TRANSLATION SERVICES. YET AS ALISON NORTHCOTT TELLS US, SOME SAY THAT THE REPORT HAS MISSED THE MARK.>>Reporter: AFTER 38 WEEKS OF TESTIMONY FROM MORE THAN 1,000 PEOPLE, COMMISSIONER JACQUES VIENS SAID THAT ONE THING IS CLEAR.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: “IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE,” HE SAID, “TO DENY THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE FIRST NATIONS AND THE INUIT ARE VICTIMS OF DISCRIMINATION IN THEIR RELATIONS WITH PUBLIC SERVICES.” VIENS’ REPORT IS FOUR YEARS AFTER “ENQUÊTE” REVEALED PHYSICAL AND SEXUAL ABUSE OF THE INDIGENOUS WOMEN BY QUÉBEC PROVINCIAL POLICE OFFICERS IN VAL D’OR. THE ALLEGATIONS INCLUDED THE SO-CALLED STARLIGHT TOURS WHERE POLICE DROVE PEOPLE OUT OF TOWN AND LEFT THEM. THERE WAS A POLICE INVESTIGATION BUT NONE OF THE VAL D’OR OFFICERS WERE CHARGED. THE COMMISSION’S MANDATE WAS BROAD, TO LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AND SOME PUBLIC SERVICES.>>FOR MYSELF, I DEAL WITH ALMOST DAILY RACISM.>>Reporter: VIVIAN MICHEL SAYS THAT SHE’S DISAPPOINTED THAT THE REPORT DOESN’T INCLUDE MEASURES TO ENSURE INDIGENOUS WOMEN LIKE THE ONES WHO CAME FORWARD IN VAL D’OR WILL BE PROTECTED. STILL, SHE AND OTHER INDIGENOUS LEADERS SAY THEY RECOGNIZE THE COMMISSION’S WORK AND HOPE THAT SOMETHING REAL WILL COME OF IT.>>I THINK PEOPLE HAVE — ARE DONE WITH THE APOLOGIES. WHAT THEY NEED IS CONCRETE ACTION.>>Reporter: AT VAL D’OR’S NATIVE FRIENDSHIP CENTRE, SHE HAS WORKED WITH THE WOMEN WHOSE STORIES LED TO THE COMMISSION.>>THERE IS NO CLEAR RECOMMENDATION AROUND THE SÛRETÉ du QUÉBEC IN THE HARM DONE TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. IT’S LIKE THE COMMISSION OVERSHADOWED WHAT WAS THE HEART OF ITS MANDATE.>>Reporter: QUÉBEC PROVINCIAL POLICE DIDN’T COMMENT ON THE REPORT. THE QUÉBEC GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT IT WILL STUDY IT, AND IN THE MEANTIME THE PREMIER HAS INVITED INDIGENOUS LEADERS TO THE LEGISLATURE LATER THIS WEEK. ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS, VAL D’OR, QUÉBEC.>>Andrew: A CALL FROM THE TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION WAS ANSWERED TODAY, REMEMBERING THE THOUSANDS WHO DIED IN RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS.>>CANADA WILL NEVER BE THE SAME NOW THAT THESE NAMES ARE KNOWN. THESE CHILDREN CALL UPON US TO TAKE ACTION, TO STOP THE HARM INFLICTED THROUGH PRESENT-DAY SYSTEMS.>>Andrew: ON A BANNER NEARLY 50 METRES LONG, THE NAMES OF 2,800 CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. THE COMMISSION WILL CONTINUE TO UNEARTH THE NAMES OF OTHERS WHO DIED.>>Adrienne: OVERSEAS NOW WHERE IT IS ALREADY A VERY IMPORTANT TUESDAY IN CHINA. WHEN THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC MARKS ITS 70th BIRTHDAY. BUT WHILE MOST OF THE COUNTRY IS POISED TO CELEBRATE, HONG KONG IS BRACED FOR DEFIANCE AND DANGER. SASA PETRICIC SHOWS US THAT POLICE TACTICS NOW HAVE A SHARPER EDGE.>>Reporter: THE FRONTLINE IN HONG KONG’S PROTESTS… HAS BECOME A PRETTY DANGEROUS PLACE. PROTESTERS, ANXIOUS AND ANGRY. THE POLICE, INCREASINGLY AGGRESSIVE. READY TO ARREST.>>HONG KONG POLICE IS HURTING PROTESTERS AND EVEN OTHER CITIZENS AS THEIR ENEMY.>>Reporter: THEY GRABBED CHRIS YONG YESTERDAY. HE’S A CANADIAN WHO SPENT HIS TEENS IN VANCOUVER AND HIS ADULT LIFE IN HONG KONG. AND LAST NIGHT HE SPENT CHAINED TO A HOSPITAL BED AFTER A HEAVY-HANDED ARREST. HE WAS RELEASED ON BAIL RIGHT BEFORE THIS INTERVIEW, WITH BRUISES AND PICTURES TO SHOW FOR IT. THAT IS ME. YONG WAS PROTESTING, DRESSED AS U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, A SYMBOL FOR HIM OF WESTERN DEMOCRACY.>>I’M JUST STANDING IN FRONT OF THE RIOT POLICE OF HONG KONG. AND THE RIOT POLICE PUSHED ME DOWN ON THE GROUND AND BEAT ME UP ABOUT A MINUTE AND I WAS — AND I WAS UNCONSCIOUS FOR A FEW SECONDS AND THEN I WAS ARRESTED.>>Reporter: CARRIED OFF FOR BEING AT AN UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY. YONG HAS BEEN PROTESTING AT THESE RALLIES SINCE THEY STARTED IN JUNE.>>OF COURSE MY TEENAGED YEARS IN CANADA HAVE ESTABLISHED MY VIEWS TO LIBERTY AND FREEDOM AND LIVING IN A FREE SOCIETY.>>Reporter: HE’S JOINED MASS MARCHES, DEMANDING MORE FREEDOM AND AN INQUIRY INTO POLICE BRUTALITY AND AGAINST CHINESE INTERVENTION IN HONG KONG. AND HE’LL BE BACK OUT AT RALLIES CALLED FOR ON TUESDAY, CHINA’S NATIONAL HOLIDAY, READY TO INSULT BEIJING AND POSSIBLY TO GET ARRESTED AGAIN. POLICE HAVE DECLARED THEM ILLEGAL, BUT NO ONE EXPECTS THAT THESE DEMONSTRATIONS ARE GOING TO STOP. SASA PETRICIC, CBC NEWS, HONG KONG.>>Adrienne: THE IMPEACHMENT SCANDAL THAT THREATENS TO ENGULF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY JUST GOT MORE COMPLICATED. THE PHONE CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN LEADER MAY NOT BE THE ONLY TIME THAT HE LOOKED BEYOND U.S. BORDERS FOR POLITICAL HELP.>>President Donald Trump: IT’S A DISGRACE. THIS WHOLE THING IS A DISGRACE.>>Reporter: THAT SAID, DONALD TRUMP TODAY ALSO MADE A MORE OMINOUS POINT.>>President Donald Trump: WELL, WE’RE TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT A WHISTLEBLOWER. WHEN YOU HAVE A WHISTLEBLOWER THAT REPORTS THINGS THAT WERE INCORRECT.>>Reporter: SIGNALS THAT HE WANTS TO KNOW WHO STARTED IT, THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS THAT COULD END HIS PRESIDENCY. THE WHISTLEBLOWER WHO CAME FORWARD WITH WORD OF A PHONE CALL AND MORE BETWEEN TRUMP AND UKRAINE’S PRESIDENT WITH TRUMP SEEMING TO PRESS HIM TO FIND DIRT ON TRUMP RIVAL JOE BIDEN. SAYS TRUMP, THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT CALL.>>President Donald Trump: IT WAS PERFECT.>>Reporter: BUT THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IS MOVING QUICKLY, WITH DEVELOPMENTS TODAY APLENTY. TRUMP LAWYER RUDY GUILIANI WAS SUBPOENAED FOR DOCUMENTS. THERE’S A REPORT THAT SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO WAS LISTENING IN ON THAT CALL WITH UKRAINE. ANOTHER REPORT SAYS THAT TRUMP ALSO SOUGHT HELP FROM AUSTRALIA’S PRIME MINISTER TO DISCREDIT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. AND ANOTHER REPORT THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR ALSO SOUGHT FOREIGN HELP FROM THE U.K. AND ITALY TO TRY TO DISCREDIT U.S. INTELLIGENCE FINDINGS ON RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 ELECTION WON BY TRUMP. AND AS DEMOCRATS, MEANWHILE, WORK TOWARD TESTIMONY FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER, A LETTER THIS WEEKEND FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S LAWYERS WITH SERIOUS CONCERNS OVER THEIR CLIENT’S SAFETY, INCLUDING SOBERING TALK OF A $50,000 BOUNTY FOR ANY INFORMATION THAT COULD IDENTIFY THEIR CLIENT PUBLICLY. FOR THEIR CLIENT AND ANY OTHERS THINKING OF COMING FORWARD, SAY THE LAWYERS THEIR EXPECTATIONS NOW IS THAT THINGS WILL ONLY GET WORSE AND MORE DANGEROUS. PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Andrew: THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO STUDENTS ARE DEMANDING BETTER ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELLING TO ADDRESS SUICIDE ON CAMPUS. THERE HAVE BEEN EIGHT DEATHS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND THE LATEST ONE JUST LAST WEEK. IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS WAS THERE AS THE STUDENTS MADE THEIR CASE.>>Reporter: IN ALL OF THE TRIBUTES, SHOCK AND DISBELIEF AND ANGER TOO…>>IT’S INFURIATING, IT’S DISAPPOINTING. I DON’T THINK THAT I CAN REALLY EXPRESS ALL OF THE EMOTIONS THAT EACH OF US ARE FEELING RIGHT NOW.>>Reporter: IN THE LAST 16 MONTHS, THREE STUDENTS HAVE DIED IN THIS BUILDING. THE LATEST ON FRIDAY.>>IT’S BEEN A PRESSURE COOKER. THE FIRST YEAR AND THE SECOND YEAR, PEOPLE WHO ARE BARELY 17 AND BARELY OLD ENOUGH TO DRINK WHO ARE HAVING TO MAKE HUGE LIFE CHOICES AND HAVING TO SACRIFICE SLEEP AND MENTAL HEALTH IN ORDER TO PERFORM.>>Reporter: PRESSURE TO PERFORM AND A LACK OF MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORTS STUDENTS SAY PROMPTED THIS — A GROUP OF STUDENTS HAD A DIRE MESSAGE.>>THE NUMBER OF MONTHS THAT STUDENTS HAVE WAITED TO ACCESS URGENTLY NEEDED KOWPS CELLING.>>Reporter: THAT WAS JUST THE LATEST ACTION. EARLIER THIS YEAR THE STUDENTS HAD HELD A SIT-IN AT THE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE.>>OUR KEY DEMANDS ARE COUNSELLING AND ACCESSIBILITY TO SERVICES AND ESSENTIAL SUPPORTS FOR STUDENTS. WE NEED TO MATCH THE NEED THAT IS BEING DEMONSTRATED.>>Reporter: THE UNIVERSITY SAYS THAT IN RESPONSE TO AN EXPLODING NEED, IT HAS SPENT $3 MILLION IN THE LAST TWO YEARS BOOSTING COUNSELLING SERVICES. SOME WERE ON HAND TODAY.>>WE’VE ALSO STARTING THIS FALL BROUGHT IN SAME-DAY COUNSELLING FOR STUDENTS WHO ARRIVE EXPRESSING EXTREME NEED OR A CRISIS.>>Reporter: AND OVER THE WEEKEND, THE SCHOOL ERECTED PHYSICAL BARRIERS.>>I WISH THAT WE HAD DONE THIS SOONER BUT WE’RE FOCUSING ON LONGER-TERM SOLUTIONS.>>Reporter: UNTIL THEN SOME STUDENTS HERE SAY THAT THEY’LL WORK TO HOLD THE SCHOOL TO THAT PROMISE. IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: AND WE’RE FOLLOWING SEVERAL OTHER STORIES TONIGHT.>>>VAPING GIANT JUUL IS NOW FACING A LAWSUIT IN B.C. TWO PLAINTIFFS SAY THEY HAVE DEVELOPED HEALTH PROBLEMS. THEY ACCUSE JUUL OF TARGETING MINORS AND MISLEADING CONSUMERS BY CLAIMING THAT THEIR PRODUCTS ARE SAFE FOR SMOKING. JUUL CANADA SAYS THEY’RE REVIEWING THE LAWSUIT. AND THE ALLEGATION HAS NOT BEEN TESTED IN COURT.>>THERE’S NOT A QUESTION…>>Andrew: AND THE SHORTLIST FOR CANADA’S GILLER PRIZE DOES NOT INCLUDE MARGARET ATWOOD’S BESTSELLER “THE TESTAMENTS.” IT’S WORTH NOTING SINCE HER SEQUEL TO “THE HANDMAID’S TALE” IS IN THE RUNNING FOR THE INTERNATIONAL BOOKER PRIZE. TWO OF THE GILLER NOMINEES ARE FIRST-TIME NOVELISTS.>>Adrienne: ANOTHER FAST FASHION RETAILER IS LEAVING CANADA. FOREVER 21 IS CLOSING ITS 44 CANADIAN STORES. AS DIANNE BUCKNER EXPLAINS, THE COMPANY HAVE JUST MISJUDGED MILLENNIALS.>>Reporter: EVERYTHING MUST GO, THE LIQUIDATION SALE AT FOREVER 21 STARTED TODAY. SO-CALLED FAST FASHION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FOOLPROOF RECIPE FOR SUCCESS. TRENDY STYLES MOVING QUICKLY FROM THE RUNWAY OR RED CARPET TO YOUNG SHOPPERS WITH BIG STYLE AMBITIONS BUT LITTLE MONEY. COMPETITORS H & M AND ZARA FOLLOWED THE SAME RECIPE.>>THEIR QUALITY WAS NOT GREAT AND I FOUND I COULD WEAR THE T-SHIRT A COUPLE TIMES, BUT AFTER THAT NOT VERY LONG.>>YOU DON’T GET A TONNE OF WEAR OUT OF THEIR CLOTHES.>>Reporter: FOREVER 21 SAID THEY EXPANDED TOO QUICKLY. WE WENT FROM SEVEN COUNTRIES TO 47 COUNTRIES IN LESS THAN A SIX-YEAR TIMEFRAME, SAYS AN EXECUTIVE. ADDING THAT SALES ARE SHIFTING MORE TO ONLINE. THIS WAS A FOREVER 21 LOCATION ON TORONTO’S YONGE STREET. IT CLOSED MONTHS AGO. IT TURNS OUT THAT A LOT OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE TURNING AWAY FROM FAST FASHION ALL TOGETHER, REALIZING THAT CHEAPLY MADE DISPOSABLE CLOTHING IS BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.>>I KNOW THAT H & M HAD STRUGGLES TOO.>>Reporter: THIS RETAIL SPECIALIST SAYS THAT YOUNGER MILLENNIALS IN PARTICULAR ARE CHOOSY.>>THEY LOOK AT EVERY BRAND AND EVERY PRODUCT IN TERMS OF WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE IMPRINT ON SOCIETY, BUT ALSO THE IMPRINT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.>>I MEAN, FAST FASHION HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FAIL.>>I THINK THAT IT’S HIGH TIME THAT BUSINESSES AND FASHION BRANDS ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.>>Reporter: FOREVER 21 IS TRYING TO KEEP SOME STORES OPEN IN THE U.S. AND WILL CONTINUE TO SELL ONLINE. AS FOR EXACTLY WHEN IT WILL CLOSE THE STORES IN CANADA, NO WORD YET, BUT THE LIQUIDATION SALE CLEARLY WON’T GO ON FOREVER. DIANNE BUCKNER, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: OKAY, TIME NOW FOR A QUICK BREAK.>>Adrienne: ROSIE IS NEXT WITH SPECIAL COVERAGE THAT YOU’LL SEE ONLY ON “THE NATIONAL.”>>Rosemary: JUSTIN TRUDEAU GOES FACE-TO-FACE WITH UNDECIDED VOTERS AND WE BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER HERE IN THIS STUDIO. THEY PUT THEIR QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO THE LIBERAL LEADER.>>EVERYTHING IS SCARY IN ALBERTA RIGHT NOW. WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET UP IN THE MORNING, PUT OUR BOOTS ON AND GO TO WORK.>>WE DON’T TRUST, NOT ONLY YOU, BUT OURSELVES.>>CANADA TOOK AWAY OUR HUMANITY.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: MR. TRUMP WAS NEGOTIATING HARD FOR HIS DAIRY FARMERS AND WE HAD TO PUSH BACK.>>AND WE GOT THROWN UNDER THE BUS.>>I KNOW YOU’RE AN ACCEPTING PERSON BUT WHEN PICTURE COMES OUT WITH BROWNFACE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IS THAT MY PRIME MINISTER THAT IS REPRESENTING CANADA OUT THERE?>>I WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY OF CANADA. I FEEL I EITHER HAVE TO GIVE UP MY DREAM OR GIVE UP THE CANADIAN DREAM. AND I DON’T THINK THAT I SHOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.>>Rosemary: “FACE-TO-FACE” WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU RIGHT AFTER THE BREAK. (*) (*)>>Rosemary: WELCOME TO “THE NATIONAL” STUDIO HERE IN TORONTO. TONIGHT WE’RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE PROMISED THAT THIS ELECTION WOULD BE ABOUT YOU, YOUR QUESTIONS, YOUR CONCERNS. SO WE ARE GIVING SOME, MOST OF OUR INTERVIEW TIME, WITH THE FEDERAL LEADERS OVER TO YOU, THE VOTERS. WELCOME TO “FACE-TO-FACE WITH THE FEDERAL LEADERS,” I’M ROSEMARY BARTON. OUR STUDIO TONIGHT IS FULL OF UNDECIDED VOTERS LOOKING FOR SOME ANSWERS. AND WE HAVE INVITED FIVE CANADIANS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO SPEAK ONE ON ONE WITH THE FEDERAL LEADERS. SO WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH LIBERAL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU. WELCOME, THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: THANK YOU.>>Rosemary: GOOD TO SEE YOU. [Applause] AND TO BE TRANSPARENT, WE JUST GAVE YOU THE FIRST NAME OF OUR LOVELY UNDECIDED, AND THEIR HOMETOWN AND GENERAL TOPIC, BUT NOTHING MORE. YOU KNOW ME A LITTLE BIT AND YOU WILL KNOW HOW THAT WILL GO. WE HAVE ASKED ALL OF OUR FIVE LOVELY UNDECIDEDS HERE TO GIVE US AN INTRO THAT THEY SHOT THEMSELVES. SO WE’LL START THE CLOCK AND GET TO WORK. HERE WE GO.>>HI, MY NAME IS LISTRA, AND I LIVE IN VANCOUVER, B.C., ON THE UNSEATED SALISH TERRITORY. I’M AN ENTREPRENEUR. AND I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL BUSINESS THAT I ABSOLUTELY ADORE AND I AM SUPER PASSIONATE ABOUT. WITH THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS, ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS IS HOMEOWNERSHIP. I HAVE LIVED IN VANCOUVER FOR 10 YEARS NOW. AND IT’S ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF AN INSECURITY WITH ME WHETHER OR NOT I EVEN WANT TO OWN A HOME HERE BECAUSE OF THE PRICE OF HOUSING. BUT NOW THAT I’M AN ENTREPRENEUR, IT BECOMES AN EVEN BIGGER ISSUE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHO WANTS TO GIVE ME A MORTGAGE. SO, IT’S A BIG CONCERN.>>Rosemary: OKAY, OVER TO YOU.>>HELLO.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: HELLO, LISTRA.>>I’M A LITTLE NERVOUS, I’LL SAY THAT RIGHT OFF THE TOP BECAUSE I DON’T DO THIS EVERY DAY. YOU DO. I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT BECOMING A HOMEOWNER IN CANADA. AS AN ENTREPRENEUR, AND AS A SINGLE PERSON WHO ALSO DOESN’T HAVE ANY CHILDREN, I FEEL LIKE I’M IN A DEMOGRAPHIC THAT REALLY GOES UNDER THE RADAR. NOBODY EVER SEES ME. AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS HOMEOWNERSHIP, AND I’VE BEEN READING SOME REPORTS AND I HAVE READ A REPORT THAT TELLS ME THAT IN ORDER FOR ME TO BECOME A HOMEOWNER THAT I WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MILLION DOLLARS. IN ORDER TO BUY A HOME. TO HAVE SOMEBODY TRUST ME ENOUGH WITH A MORTGAGE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: NOW YOU LIVE IN VANCOUVER AND YOU DON’T OWN YOUR HOME RIGHT NOW. WE INTRODUCED — WE HEARD THIS CHALLENGE FROM CANADIANS RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY SO WE INTRODUCED SOMETHING CALLED THE FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS INCENTIVE. WHICH ACTUALLY GIVES YOU UP TO 10% OFF ON THE PURCHASE OF YOUR FIRST HOME WHICH IS BECOMEALLY A NO-FEE, NO-INTEREST MORTGAGE PAYMENT THAT WILL REDUCE YOUR OWN MONTHLY MORTGAGE PAYMENTS BY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH. NOW WE BROUGHT IT IN ACROSS COUNTRY AND WE HAVE HEARD VERY CLEARLY THAT THE G.T.A., GREATER VANCOUVER, AND EVEN VICTORIA, THAT THE HOUSING CRISIS IS JUST OUT OF REACH EVEN ON THAT. SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY INCREASED IT FURTHER AND SO THAT HOMES WORTH UP TO $800,000 NOW QUALIFY FOR THAT. AND THAT’S GOING TO GIVE A SIGNIFICANT BOOST. WE KNOW THAT IT’S NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING TO HELP EVERYONE AS MUCH AS IT CAN.>>IT’S NOT GOING TO HELP ME.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: BUT IT’S GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.>>IT’S NOT GOING TO HELP ME AT ALL. I MEAN, I HEAR THESE NUMBERS AND I CAN SIT DOWN AND I CAN CRUNCH NUMBERS — I’M NOT A MATHEMATICIAN. BUT I STILL SIT HERE AND I SAY, BUT, STILL, HOW DO I MAKE THAT MONEY? LIKE, LEGALLY, IN MY BUSINESS — [laughter] HOW DO I MAKE THAT MONEY? LIKE, WE’VE GOT A LOT OF HOMES IN VANCOUVER, SITTING THERE WITH NO ONE IN THEM. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF FOREIGN INVESTORS — AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THIS HOME TAX — THE EMPTY HOME TAX BUT THAT HASN’T REALLY DONE ANYTHING. THERE’S STILL A LOT OF EMPTY HOMES. AND IT BECOMES A BIGGER ISSUE BECAUSE IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT IS ABOUT COMMUNITY. IT’S ABOUT FAMILY. LIKE LITERALLY THE ONLY REASON THAT I STAY IN VANCOUVER IS BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE MY FAMILY IS, IT’S WHERE MY COMMUNITY IS THAT I HAVE GROWN OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. I COULD TAKE MY BUSINESS AND I COULD MOVE BACK TO THE CARIBBEAN AND I COULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, A LOT SMALLER THAN $500,000 TO A MILLION AND BUY PROPERTY AND HAVE A HOME. AND I COULD GIVE JOBS TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE — I WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY OF CANADA. I’M A CANADIAN CITIZEN. I GREW UP HERE. AND THAT FEELS GOOD TO ME. BUT THIS ISSUE OF WHAT IT COSTS — I FEEL THAT I EITHER HAVE TO GIVE UP MY DREAM OR GIVE UP THE CANADIAN DREAM. AND I DON’T THINK I SHOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE, YOU SHOULDN’T. AND WE WANT YOU TO SUCCEED IN CANADA AND WE WANT YOU TO KEEP BUILDING AND CREATING JOBS AND SUCCEEDING. BUT THERE IS NO ONE MAGIC BULLET THAT IS GOING TO SAVE EVERYTHING. SO THE FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS’ INITIATIVE WILL HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE, MAYBE NOT YOU, BUT MAYBE OTHERS. I THINK THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY HELP YOU AS WELL. AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE’RE GOING TO DO, WE’RE INVESTING IN ENTREPRENEURS AND WE’RE LOOKING AT SPECIFIC — WOMEN ENTREPRENEURS, RACIALIZED ENTREPRENEURS, AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT FACE GREATER BARRIERS ARE GOING TO BE RESPONDED TO IN AN INITIATIVE THAT WE HAVE THAT IS $50,000 OF START-UP CAPITAL FOR 2,000 DIFFERENT ENTREPRENEURS A YEAR THAT PEOPLE CAN QUALIFY FOR.>>AND THAT’S FOR NEW BUSINESSES, RIGHT?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: THAT’S FOR NEW BUSINESSES.>>AND NEW ENTREPRENEURS, NONE OF WHICH I FIT INTO. BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING.>>Rosemary: I LOVE WATCHING LISTRA’S FACE AS MR. TRUDEAU ANSWERS. OKAY, LISTRA’S TURN IS OVER. LET’S GET TO OUR NEXT VOTER. WATCH THIS.>>I AM JESSICA AND I LIVE IN QUÉBEC, ALBERTA. I CURRENTLY DRIVE A SCHOOL BUS. I STUDY CRIMINAL JUSTICE IN HOPES OF BECOMING A FUTURE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AND I HAVE THREE AMAZING CHILDREN. ONE OF WHOM WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN THE NEXT FEDERAL ELECTION. I FEEL THAT IT’S IMPORTANT TO TEACH HER THE VALUE OF QUESTIONING OUR POLITICAL LEADERS, SO SHE DESERVES TO HAVE ANSWERS THAT ARE GIVEN WITH HONESTY AND INTEGRITY. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I’M HAVING WITH NOT ONLY THE CURRENT CAMPAIGN IN THE ELECTION BUT THE PREVIOUS ONES AS WELL.>>Rosemary: ALL RIGHT, IT’S MY NEW FRIEND JESSICA. GOOD LUCK.>>NICE TO MEET YOU.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: PLEASURE TO SEE YOU.>>SO I’M FROM QUÉBEC, ALBERTA. AND NOT ONLY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAT YOU’VE HELD OFFICE, BUT FOR PROBABLY THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS WE’VE BEEN IN TURMOIL. OUR LIVES HAVE BEEN UP IN THE AIR IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. MY HUSBAND HAS BEEN SEARCHING FOR A JOB FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES. HE JUST GOT LAID OFF AGAIN LAST MONTH.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: I’M SORRY.>>SO THE QUESTION IS, LIKE, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO TO HELP ALBERTANS? BECAUSE AT THE PEAK OUR NUMBERS WERE AT 150,000 UNEMPLOYED WHO HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS BECAUSE OF THE OIL CRASH. AND PEOPLE DON’T KNOW WHERE THEIR NEXT PAYCHEQUE IS GOING TO COME FROM. WE DON’T KNOW IF WE’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE. WE DON’T EVEN KNOW IF WE’LL HAVE A TABLE TO PUT FOOD ON, ESSENTIALLY. AND IT’S SCARY. EVERYTHING IS SCARY IN ALBERTA RIGHT NOW. AND WE JUST DON’T HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO GO OFF OF. SO I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO TO HELP US, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HELP ME AND MY SITUATION?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WELL, THE FIRST THING TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT ALBERTA HAS BEEN A CONTRIBUTOR TO CANADA’S ECONOMY FOR SO MANY DECADES NOW. YOU HAVE BEEN A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO CANADA WITH YOUR HARD WORK, WITH YOUR INNOVATION. AND OVER THE PAST — AS YOU SAID, SIX, SEVEN YEARS — IT’S BEEN REALLY BEEN TOUGH FOR ALBERTA AS THE OIL PRICES CRASHED. AND THERE WERE REAL TRANSFORMATIONS IN PEOPLE WHO HAD NEVER BEEN SHORT OF WORK, HAD ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE AND TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE FOR THEIR FAMILY, AND SUDDENLY BEING IN THIS POSITION IS REALLY SCARY AND DESTABILIZING. THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY — I MEAN, WHAT CANADIANS DO IS THAT WE’RE THERE FOR EACH OTHER. SO WE HAVE MADE MASSIVE INVESTMENTS AND CHANGES TO E.I. AND WE MADE CHANGES THAT WOULD HELP OUT IN ALBERTA. BUT WE RECOGNIZED THAT THE ONE THING THAT YOU REALLY NEED MOST IS TO BE ABLE TO GET OUR OIL RESOURCES TO NEW MARKETS SO THAT WE’RE NOT PRISONERS OF THE UNITED STATES. RIGHT NOW — OR OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS THE U.S. WENT FROM BEING ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMERS IN TERMS OF OIL TO A BIG COMPETITOR IN TERMS OF ENERGY. SO WE NEED TO FIND NEW MARKETS BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING A MASSIVE DISCOUNT ON OUR OILS THAT YOU KNOW VERY MUCH WAS SQUEEZING YOUR FAMILIES.>>RIGHT.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: SO WE RECOGNISED THAT IN THE 21st CENTURY YOU CAN’T ACTUALLY GET NEW PIPELINE PROJECTS BUILT UNLESS YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND CREATING PARTNERSHIP WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. AND WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD ON THOSE TWO THINGS TO GIVE BETTER PREDICTABILITY AND TO GET BETTER SOCIAL ACCEPTABILITY, AND THE RESOURCES TO NEW MARKETS IN A RESPONSIBLE WAYS. TROUBLES ARE IN THE GROUND AS WE SPEAK ON THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE EXPANSION. THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO GET OUR OIL TO MARKETS OTHER THAN THE UNITED STATES. AND WE ARE GOING TO BE INVESTING THE PROFITS FROM THAT IN THE TRANSITION TOWARDS CLEANER ENERGY AND FIGHTING CLIMATE AND WE ARE GOING TO BE INVESTING THE PROFITS FROM THAT IN THE TRANSITION TOWARDS CLEANER ENERGY AND FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE THAT I KNOW THAT YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO REALLY NEED IN THE COMING DECADES. BUT WE NEED TO SUPPORT YOU, YOUR FAMILY, AND ALBERTANS THROUGH THIS VERY DIFFICULT TIME. AND THAT’S VERY MUCH WHAT WE’VE TRIED TO DO.>>Rosemary: BUT DO YOU SEE JESSICA’S KIDS WORKING IN THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: I CAN SEE –>>Rosemary: IS THAT FAIR TO SAY THAT IT’S A DYING INDUSTRY BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: NO, I THINK THAT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A NEED FOR OIL AND GAS AND CERTAIN USES OVER THE COMING DECADES, IF NOT THE COMING CENTURY. BUT THE MIX THAT WE HAVE TOWARDS MORE RENEWABLES, TOWARDS CLEANER TECH, WILL ALSO — AND THE EFFICIENCIES ALSO WILL COME IN AND TRANSFORM THOSE JOBS SO THEY’RE ACTUALLY, USUALLY MORE SCIENTIFIC AND MORE RESEARCH ORIENTED AND MORE — LESS — LESS, UM… YOU KNOW, DRIVING TRUCKS AND OPERATING HEAVY MACHINERY. AND MORE INNOVATION, MORE LAB AND HIGHER MOTOR SKILLS. YOUR KIDS WILL GET GREAT EDUCATIONS AND BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE IN GREATER WAYS THAN THE GENERATIONS PAST WERE.>>Rosemary: WHEN WE COME BACK…>>MR. TRUMP WAS NEGOTIATING HARD FOR HIS DAIRY FARMERS AND WE HAD TO PUSH BACK.>>AND WE GOT THROWN UNDER THE BUS.>>Rosemary: BY MR. TRUDEAU.>>WELL, YOU KNOW, WE’RE THE ONES THAT TOOK IT FOR THE COUNTRY.>>Rosemary: MORE FACE-TO-FACE (*)>>Rosemary: WELCOME BACK TO “FACE-TO-FACE” WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU. LET’S GET TO OUR NEXT QUESTIONER.>>I CURRENTLY ATTEND MOUNT ROYAL UNIVERSITY HERE IN CALGARY, ALBERTA. GROWING UP ON THE RESERVE WAS AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE, EVEN THOUGH THERE’S A LOT OF ISSUES IN MY COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, HOME IS THERE. AND I’M VERY PROUD TO BE INDIGENOUS. I’M CONCERNED THAT WE ARE NOT APPROACHING INDIGENOUS ISSUES IN CANADA APPROPRIATELY. MY PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS WERE TAUGHT HOW TO HATE THEMSELVES IN THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS. THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS DISEMPOWERED THE WAY IN WHICH WE TRUST OURSELVES AND OTHERS. THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS WERE A RADICAL POLICY AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE NEED RADICAL POLICY TODAY.>>Rosemary: ALL RIGHT, SPIRIT, YOUR TURN.>>SO I WILL GET STRAIGHT INTO IT. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MY PEOPLE ARE STILL STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTIONS. MY PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS IN THEIR OWN LAND. AND THERE ARE — THERE ARE YOUTH IN MY COMMUNITY THAT ARE GOING TO TRAINS AND COMMITTING SUICIDE. MY PEOPLE ARE DYING. AND I SEE CANADA AS KIND OF THE CAUSE FOR THIS IN THE FORM THAT WE WERE NEVER LIKE THIS TRADITIONALLY. THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS THAT WE WERE TAUGHT HOW TO HATE OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, HOW TO SEE OURSELVES AS WORTHLESS AND NO GOOD. AS A RESULT OF THAT WE DON’T TRUST, NOT ONLY YOU BUT OURSELVES, OUR FAMILIES, OUR COMMUNITIES. CANADA TOOK AWAY OUR HUMANITY. AND IT TRIES TO SOLVE THESE WITH MONEY AND PROMISES OF RECONCILIATION. AND WHAT I TRULY WANT IS TO KNOW HOW CAN WE UNLEARN WHAT CANADA HAS TAUGHT US? AND WHAT CAN YOUR GOVERNMENT DO TO FACILITATE THAT?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WELL, LISTEN, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. [Applause] THERE’S NO WAY TO SUGARCOAT IT — CANADA FAILED DISASTROUSLY IN THE SPIRIT AND THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL RELATIONSHIPS AND THE ORIGINAL TREATIES. WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT SHARED STEWARDSHIP AND ABOUT PARTNERSHIP ON THIS LAND THAT WE WILL WELCOME SETTLERS AND WELCOMED TO BY THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. THE LEGACY OF THE ASSIMILATION, OF RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS AND THE INTERGENERATIONAL TRAUMA THAT REMAINS IS I THINK ONE OF THE — THE GREATEST REMAINING CHALLENGES.>>[indiscernible]>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO UNDO THAT. AND THAT’S WHAT RECONCILIATION IS ALL ABOUT. AND THERE’S TWO TRACKS ON IT. ONE IS MAKING SURE THAT IN TERMS OF HEALTH CARE, IN TERMS OF EDUCATION, IN TERMS OF DRINKING WATER, IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES, THAT YOU ARE BEGINNING TO GET THOSE IN WAYS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR YOU. AND THAT YOU GET TO DRIVE AS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. BUT ALSO THAT WE CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CANADA AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, TO BE MORE OF A NATION-TO-NATION RELATIONSHIP, MUCH MORE RESPECTFUL.>>I WOULD PROBABLY ADD TO THAT, MY NATION IS IN SOUTHERN ALBERTA AND WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS AND WE HAVE RESOURCES. I WENT TO AN AMAZING HIGH SCHOOL AND I AM GOING TO UNIVERSITY RIGHT NOW. BUT EVEN WHEN I WAS IN UNIVERSITY — OR EVEN WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL — THERE WERE PEERS THAT WOULD SAY YOU CAN GO TO SCHOOL FOR FREE AND I CAN’T. AND THERE’S A MENTALITY. AND FOR ME THOSE THINGS DON’T APPLY TO MY NATION. AND IN A LOT OF WAYS I WOULD SAY THAT I’M JUST AS MUCH FIRST NATIONS AS MY CHIEF AND COUNCIL. THOSE ARE SYSTEMS IMPLEMENTED BY CANADA TO ASSIMILATE US. AND SO I WONDER WHAT — LIKE, YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE THE STRATEGY FOR SUICIDE PREVENTION. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THESE KINDS OF THINGS, THEY ARE GREAT BUT THEY DON’T REALLY APPLY TOO MUCH INTO MY SITUATION. OR THESE THINGS ARE STILL THERE. I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS AND CULTURAL GENOCIDE AND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. HOW WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN, HOW WE RAISE OUR CHILDREN.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WELL, YOU PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN I DO THAT LANGUAGE AND CULTURE AND IDENTITY ARE BUILDING BLOCKS OF ANYONE’S SENSE OF SELF AND ANYONE’S ABILITY. AND THAT’S WHY WE MOVE FORWARD ON HISTORIC LANGUAGE LEGISLATION THAT’S GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO LEARN AND PRESERVE INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES.>>I THINK OF THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS WHICH HAD RADICAL POLICY THIS IS TAKING TOO LONG. . I THINK THAT WE NEED SOMETHING EVEN MORE RADICAL THAN WHAT IS GOING ON. LIKE, YOUTH ARE LITERALLY DYING, LIKE A WEEK AGO IN MY COMMUNITY. LIKE IT HAPPENS CONSTANTLY.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: AND IT IS ONGOING AND WE’VE INVESTED MORE IN MENTAL HEALTH AND WE’VE INVESTED MORE IN HOTLINES.>>BUT IT’S A FUNDAMENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. IT’S FUNDAMENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: IT’S AN ADDICTIONS ISSUE. IT’S A POVERTY ISSUE. IT’S A BARRIERS ISSUE. IT’S AN IDENTITY ISSUE. IT’S A — A DISCRIMINATION ISSUE. IT’S ALL OF THESE LAYERS OF THINGS. AND THE ONE THING THAT I KNOW IS THAT AS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE CAN’T TELL YOU WHAT THE ANSWER IS. WE NEED TO EMPOWER YOU TO BREAK DOWN SOME OF THE TERRIBLE THINGS THAT WE’VE DONE TO YOU IN THE PAST AND ALLOW YOUNG LEADERS LIKE YOU WHO ARE IMAGINING THOSE RADICAL SOLUTIONS, TO PROPOSE THEM, AND WE NEED TO HELP TO CREATE THEM. BECAUSE WHAT OTTAWA BROKE, OTTAWA CAN’T FIX.>>Rosemary: OKAY, MR. TRUDEAU, SPIRIT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET’S MOVE ON.>>THANK YOU, SIR. [Applause]>>MY NAME IS ALAIN. I LIVE IN MANITOBA. I’M 55 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE JUST CELEBRATED 25 YEARS OF MARRIAGE WITH MY WIFE, MICHELLE. DAIRY FARMING HAS ITS OWN CHALLENGES, BUT GOVERNMENT POLICY AND POLITICS CAN HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON OUR INDUSTRY. DAIRY FARMING IS MY PASSION AND I CAN HARDLY WAIT TO START WORKING ON OUR NEXT PROJECT TOGETHER WITH MY SON. AND I HOPE THAT WE’RE ABLE TO MOVE OUR FARM FORWARD AND TO ADVANCE US TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN BE AS PROUD OF THE NEXT GENERATION AS WE WERE OF THE PAST. (*)>>Rosemary: ALL RIGHT, MY FELLOW MANITOBAN. OFF YOU GO.>>THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. IT’S AN HONOUR TO MEET YOU. OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN FARMING IN MANITOBA, SINCE 1912. AND I’M SO PROUD TO BE A DAIRY FARMER AND I ENJOY THIS CAREER SO MUCH. BUT IN A RECENT TRADE DEAL, THE LAST ONE DONE BY YOUR GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE GIVEN UP MARKET ACCESS TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES. NOW MY SON IS A FOURTH GENERATION DAIRY FARMER. AND HE’S WANTING TO REINVEST IN THE FARM. AND HE NEEDS TO HAVE STABILITY. WHAT IS YOUR GOVERNMENT GOING TO DO WHEN THE NEXT COUNTRY AFTER BREXIT TALKS OR WHATEVER COME IN AND ASK FOR MORE MARKET ACCESS?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: AS YOU SAY, WE’VE NEGOTIATED THREE REALLY BIG TRADE DEALS THAT DID INVOLVE CERTAIN CONCESSIONS ON ACCESS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, PARTICULARLY ON THE NAFTA ONE, IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT DONALD TRUMP WANTED TO GET RID OF OUR SUPPLY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND WE WERE ABLE TO DEFEND IT.>>Rosemary: BUT JUST SO I’M CLEAR — I KNOW THAT YOU DEFEND SUPPLY MANAGEMENT AND YET WITH EVERY TRADE DEAL THAT YOU HAVE NEGOTIATED YOU HAVE CRACKED OPEN THE DOOR TO ALLOW MORE CHEESE AND DAIRY AND POULTRY AND WHATNOT, AND YOU SAY THAT IS OVER THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO COMPENSATE DAIRY FARMERS FURTHER. IS THAT BECAUSE THERE’S NO TRADE DEALS LEFT TO HAVE?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WE’RE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE MERCUSOR, WITH THE EAST COAST OF SOUTH AMERICA. THERE ARE CHALLENGES AROUND BRAZIL RIGHT NOW SO IT’S NOT NECESSARILY MOVING FORWARD. BUT WE HAVE ALREADY SAID FROM THE GET-GO, NO MORE DAIRY ACCESS. WE’RE PROTECTING OUR SUPPLY MANAGED AREAS BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, OUR FARMERS HAVE GIVEN ENOUGH. AND WE ARE ABLE TO COMPENSATE THEM BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT SIGNING A NAFTA MEANS SECURE JOBS FOR CANADIANS. IT’S A GOOD DEAL FOR EVERYONE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT ALLOWS US TO GIVE YOU THE COMPENSATION THAT YOU NEED AND THAT YOUR SON NEEDS TO BE CONFIDENT ABOUT THE FUTURE. AND ONCE WE RATIFY IT, WE WILL BE BRINGING IN THAT COMPENSATION.>>Rosemary: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO ALAIN ABOUT DEALING WITH DONALD TRUMP? [laughter] AND WHY YOU HAD TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU HAD TO GIVE HIM A LITTLE TO GET THE REST?>>THAT’S A VERY UNCONVENTIONAL GOVERNMENT WE’RE DEALING WITH IN THE WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW –>>Rosemary: ALAIN IS THROWING YOU A LIFEBOAT HERE. DON’T! LET HIM GO. [laughter]>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: NO, WHAT I SAID IS THAT MR. TRUMP WAS NEGOTIATING HARD FOR HIS DAIRY FARMERS AND WE HAD TO PUSH BACK.>>AND WE GOT THROWN UNDER THE BUS.>>Rosemary: BY MR. TRUDEAU.>>WELL, YOU KNOW, WE’RE THE ONES THAT TOOK IT FOR THE COUNTRY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN THE ROAD GOES THROUGH THE NEIGHBOURHOOD, SOMEONE’S HOUSE GETS BOUGHT OUT. BUT IF YOU GO THROUGH EVERYBODY’S HOUSE, EVERYBODY HAS TO BE COMPENSATED. NOT JUST ONE IN FIVE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, DONALD TRUMP WANTED TO GET RID OF SUPPLY MANAGEMENT ALL TOGETHER AND WE MANAGED TO KEEP SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. YES, THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE –>>Rosemary: THAT’S PART OF YOUR JOB, MR. TRUDEAU.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: NOT EVERY POLITICIAN BELIEVES THAT WE NEED TO KEEP SUPPLY MANAGEMENT. AND WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO COMPENSATE ALAIN AND HIS FAMILY TO THE FULL EXTENT ONCE THE NEW NAFTA IS RATIFIED. (*)>>Rosemary: TIME FOR A QUICK BREAK, BUT UP NEXT…>>WHEN PICTURES COME OUT WITH, LIKE, BROWNFACE AND STUFF LIKE, THAT RIGHT, IT KIND OF CREATES A QUESTION, LIKE, OH, WOW, IS THAT MY PRIME MINISTER?>>Rosemary: “FACE-TO-FACE” WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU CONTINUES RIGHT AFTER THIS. (*) (*)>>Rosemary: ALL RIGHT, TIME FOR OUR FINAL VOTER. HERE WE GO. [Applause]>>HI, EVERYBODY, MY NAME IS ANARA, AND I’M FROM TORONTO, ONTARIO. MY BACKGROUND LIES IN SOCIAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP, INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, CAPITAL MARKETS, AS WELL AS CONSULTING. ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS HOW MY GENERATION IS KNOWN FOR ADVOCATING FOR CLIMATE CHANGE. ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, BUT I THINK THAT IT’S SHADOWING OTHER ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO BRING MORE ATTENTION TO LIKE THE JOB MARKET AND HOW COMPETITIVE IT IS FOR US TO GET A JOB NOW. AND RIGHT NOW I’M UNDECIDED BECAUSE I’M NOT SURE WHICH PARTY HAS MY GENERATION’S BEST INTEREST AT HEART. THANK YOU SO MUCH. (*)>>Rosemary: OKAY, ANARA, OFF YOU GO.>>YES, GLAD TO BE HERE. BEFORE I GET INTO THOSE ISSUES I’D LIKE TO KIND OF GIVE A BACKGROUND ON MYSELF. SO I WAS RAISED IN TORONTO AND MY PARENTS ARE BOTH IMMIGRANTS AND MY MOM IS FROM PAKISTAN AND MY DAD IS FROM INDIA. SO PRETTY SOUTHEAST ASIAN. I WOULD SAY THAT I LOVE CANADA, MAINLY BECAUSE, LIKE, LOOK AROUND, RIGHT? EVERYBODY IS SO DIFFERENT HERE. EVERYBODY IS A DIFFERENT COLOUR AND EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT BACKGROUND. AND WHAT’S GREAT ABOUT ABOUT CANADA IS THAT DIVERSITY EXISTS. WE ALL KNOW THAT. WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT IS THE ACCEPTANCE PORTION OF THIS. WE ARE A PLURALISTIC SOCIETY. YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE AIRPORT TO WELCOME REFUGEES, RIGHT, AND YOU HAVE BEEN TO DIFFERENT PLACES OF WORSHIP. AND I KNOW THAT YOU’RE AN ACCEPTING PERSON. SO WHEN PICTURE COMES OUT WITH BROWNFACE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, RIGHT, IT CREATES A QUESTION, LIKE, WOW, IS THAT MY PRIME MINISTER THAT IS REPRESENTING CANADA OUT THERE? SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY CHAMPION IS PLURALISM AND SEEING THOSE PICTURES OUT THERE. AND THE FIRST THING IS OBVIOUSLY, I’M SHOCKED, LIKE, OKAY. AND THE SECOND THING IS THAT IT’S REALLY UPSETTING TO SEE THAT. SOMETHING THAT WE’RE REALLY GREAT AT IN OUR LEADER IS NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE, RIGHT? SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS — WHAT ARE SOME PERSONAL ACTIONS THAT YOU’LL BE TAKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE STILL ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS REPUTATION AS WELL AS ON AN INTERNATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? LIKE WE’RE KNOWN TO BE THIS PLURALISTIC INCLUSIVE SOCIETY, WHAT ACTIONS SHOULD CANADA BE TAKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THIS REPUTATION? LAWS LAWS>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WE HAVE BEEN A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS DEFENDED — [Applause] WE HAVE BEEN A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS DEFENDED DIVERSITY. BUT THE TERRIBLE CHOICES THAT I MADE MANY YEARS AGO HAVE PUT — PUT NOT JUST A PALL OVER THAT BUT HAVE DIRECTLY HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FACE DISCRIMINATION EVERY DAY. WHO THOUGHT OF ME AS AN ALLY. THOUGHT OF ME AS A FRIEND AND SOMEONE WHO WAS FIGHTING FOR DIVERSITY. AND I AM. AND I VERY MUCH AM IN MY LIFE TODAY. BUT I DIDN’T UNDERSTAND HOW –>>I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. I CAN TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, YEAH.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: AND I KNOW THAT I AM GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT EVEN MORE THAN EVER BEFORE FOR INCLUSION. DIVERSITY IS A FACT, INCLUSION IS A CHOICE. AND HOW WE DO THAT — HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE GOING AT THINGS LIKE SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION AND UNCONSCIOUS BIAS AND ME CARRYING THE SHAME OF HAVING DONE THAT PERSONALLY IN A BLIND WAY AND HURTING PEOPLE WHO — WHO TRUSTED AND SUPPORTED ME AND BELIEVED IN CANADA AS ITS BEACON IS SOMETHING THAT I’M GOING TO HAVE TO WORK EXTRA HARD AT OVER THE COMING YEARS TO DEMONSTRATE.>>I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK THAT IS GREAT TO HEAR, RIGHT. BUT WHAT ACTIONS DO YOU SEE YOURSELF TAKING AND CANADA TAKING WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS?>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: WE HAVE DOUBLED OUR FUNDING FOR ANTI-RACISM STRATEGY WHICH WILL INCLUDE SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION AND UNCONSCIOUS BIAS TRAINING FOR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, FOR ORGINISATIONS. THERE ARE SO MANY BLIND SPOTS THAT I HAVE, THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE, THAT WE NEED TO GET INTO. WHETHER IT’S, YOU KNOW, GENDER-BASED ANALYSIS AND WHETHER IT’S INTERSECTIONALITIES. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND A LOT MORE ABOUT THE VERY REAL INTOLERANCE AND DISCRIMINATION THAT MANY PEOPLE FACE. FIGHTING ANTI-BRAKE RACISM, FIGHTING ISLAMOPHOBIA, FIGHTING ANTI-SEMITISM. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY DO MORE ON AND WE WILL DO MORE ON.>>Rosemary: IT GOES BY QUICK. [laughter] THANK YOU, ANARA. [Applause]>>YOU HEARD THEIR QUESTIONS, AND HIS ANSWERS. NOW IT’S TIME TO HEAR WHAT THE UNDECIDED VOTERS REALLY THOUGHT. THEIR IMPRESSIONS RIGHT AFTER THIS. (*) (*)>>Rosemary: AT THIS POINT IN THE SHOW WE’D NORMALLY BRING YOU “THE MOMENT” BUT TONIGHT WE’RE TURNING THAT SPACE OVER TO THE VOTERS WHO WENT “FACE-TO-FACE” WITH LIBERAL LEADER JUSTIN TRUDEAU TODAY. WE GOT THEIR REACTIONS TO HIS ANSWERS.>>THAT WAS INTERESTING.>>IT FELT LIKE THE BEST DEMONSTRATION OF DEMOCRACY THAT I’VE EVER FELT IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.>>HE WAS A REALLY NICE GUY. HE’S VERY FRIENDLY.>>HOW DO I FEEL RIGHT NOW? , I THINK THAT HAVING THAT INTERACTION WITH MR. TRUDEAU WAS GREAT BECAUSE WE’RE ABLE TO SEE THE PERSON AND THE HUMAN BEHIND THAT POLITICIAN.>>IT WAS REALLY UNREAL SITTING ACROSS FROM THE PRIME MINISTER. BUT YOU NEEDED TO KEEP YOUR HEAD SCREWED ON BECAUSE THESE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES THAT HE NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT AND HE NEEDS TO FOCUS ON.>>I FELT THAT MY QUESTIONS WERE RECEIVED. I THINK THAT HE RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE AND THE URGENCY. BUT I STILL THINK THAT WE NEED A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.>>I DON’T FEEL LIKE I GOT MY “WHY.” I FEEL THAT I HEARD THE ANSWERS TO A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. I FEEL THAT IT GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN MORE ACTIVELY THAN I HAVE BEEN LISTENING.>>HE IS FAIRLY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NOT PERFECTLY CLEAR, BUT I AM SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWER THAT I GOT.>>I’M HAPPY THAT I WAS ABLE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL ANSWERS, NOT SO MUCH. AND I WAS DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MORE ACTIONABLE.>>I FEEL HEARD FINALLY, WHICH I THINK THAT HAS BEEN A KEY PROBLEM FOR A LOT OF ALBERTANS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.>>I THINK THAT I’M CLOSER TO MAKING MY DECISION NOW THAN BEFORE. BUT I WILL PROBABLY BE WAITING FOR MORE ANSWERS FROM OTHER CANDIDATES BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION.>>Rosemary: THERE YOU GO, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF “THE NATIONAL” AND YOU CAN WATCH THE FULL CONVERSATION ON CBC GEM, cbcnews.ca AND AFTER YOUR LATE LOCAL NEWS ON CBC TELEVISION. AND A REMINDER THAT WE’RE DOING THIS ALL WEEK. TOMORROW THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER ANDREW SCHEER GOES “FACE-TO-FACE” WITH UNDECIDED VOTERS. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. SEE YOU THEN. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. (*)

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