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♪>>>WELCOME TO THURSDAY, IT IS>>>WELCOME TO THURSDAY, IT IS MEET THE PRESS DAILY. MEET THE PRESS DAILY. I’M CHUCK TODD HERE IN I’M CHUCK TODD HERE IN WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. WE BEGIN WITH A STORY THAT HAS WE BEGIN WITH A STORY THAT HAS ALL OF WASHINGTON TALKING OR ALL OF WASHINGTON TALKING OR MORE CORRECTLY WHISPERING AT THE MORE CORRECTLY WHISPERING AT THE WATER COOLER. WATER COOLER. AND IT DO BE A STORY THAT AND IT DO BE A STORY THAT EVERYONE EVERYWHERE IS TALKING EVERYONE EVERYWHERE IS TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. BUT WE JUST DON’T KNOW BECAUSE BUT WE JUST DON’T KNOW BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH WE STILL DON’T THERE IS SO MUCH WE STILL DON’T KNOW. KNOW. AND IT IS ALL ABOUT THE UNKNOWN AND IT IS ALL ABOUT THE UNKNOWN CONTENTS OF A WHISTLEBLOWER CONTENTS OF A WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT DEEMED URGENT AND COMPLAINT DEEMED URGENT AND CREDIBLE BY THE INTELLIGENCE CREDIBLE BY THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S INSPECTOR GENERAL COMMUNITY’S INSPECTOR GENERAL AND OUR REPORTING INDICATES AND OUR REPORTING INDICATES DIRECTLY INVOLVES THE PRESIDENT. DIRECTLY INVOLVES THE PRESIDENT. MICHAEL ATKINSON APPOINTED BY MICHAEL ATKINSON APPOINTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP AS INSPECTOR PRESIDENT TRUMP AS INSPECTOR GENERAL HAS TOLD CONGRESS IN SO GENERAL HAS TOLD CONGRESS IN SO MANY WORDS THAT ADMINISTRATION MANY WORDS THAT ADMINISTRATION IS NOT ALLOWING HIM DO HIS JOB. IS NOT ALLOWING HIM DO HIS JOB. IN LETTERS TO CONGRESS, ATKINSON IN LETTERS TO CONGRESS, ATKINSON SAID THAT HE WANTS TO TELL THEM SAID THAT HE WANTS TO TELL THEM BADLY. BADLY. BECAUSE THE MATTER RELATES TO, BECAUSE THE MATTER RELATES TO, QUOTE, ONE OF THE MOST QUOTE, ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT OF SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT OF DNI’S RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE DNI’S RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE AMERICAN PEEL. AMERICAN PEEL. BUT JOSEPH McGUIRE AND OFFICIALS BUT JOSEPH McGUIRE AND OFFICIALS AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BASICALLY OVERRULED HIM. BASICALLY OVERRULED HIM. THE IG TOLD CONGRESS HE WAS NOT THE IG TOLD CONGRESS HE WAS NOT BEING ALLOWED TO EVEN TELL THEM BEING ALLOWED TO EVEN TELL THEM THE GENERAL SUBJECT MATTER OF THE GENERAL SUBJECT MATTER OF THESE ALLEGATIONS. THESE ALLEGATIONS. WHICH WE NOW KNOW IS THE WHICH WE NOW KNOW IS THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. A FORMER U.S. INTELLIGENCE A FORMER U.S. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL TOLD NBC NEWS THAT, OFFICIAL TOLD NBC NEWS THAT, QUOTE, THIS URGENT CONCERN QUOTE, THIS URGENT CONCERN INVOLVES A PHONE CONVERSATION BY INVOLVES A PHONE CONVERSATION BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT TRUMP. THE “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS THE “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS THAT IT INVOLVES PRESIDENTIAL THAT IT INVOLVES PRESIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH A FOREIGN COMMUNICATIONS WITH A FOREIGN LEADER AND SOME KIND OF A LEADER AND SOME KIND OF A PROMISE. PROMISE. THE PRESIDENT VIA TWITTER DID THE PRESIDENT VIA TWITTER DID NOT DENY THE REPORTING SAYING NOT DENY THE REPORTING SAYING ANYTIME I SPEAK ON THE PHONE TO ANYTIME I SPEAK ON THE PHONE TO A FOREIGN LEADER, I UNDERSTAND A FOREIGN LEADER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE MANY PEOPLE THAT THERE MAY BE MANY PEOPLE LISTENING FROM VARIOUS U.S. LISTENING FROM VARIOUS U.S. AGENCIES, NOT TO MENTION THOSE AGENCIES, NOT TO MENTION THOSE FROM THE OTHER COUNTRY ITSELF. FROM THE OTHER COUNTRY ITSELF. ADDING KNOWING ALL OF THIS, IS ADDING KNOWING ALL OF THIS, IS ANYBODY DUMB ENOUGH TO BELIEVE ANYBODY DUMB ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT I WOULD SAY SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE? INAPPROPRIATE? AFTER MEETING WITH INSPECTOR AFTER MEETING WITH INSPECTOR GENERAL ATKINSON TODAY BEHIND GENERAL ATKINSON TODAY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, ADAM SCHIFF CLOSED DOORS, ADAM SCHIFF SEEMINGLY THREATENED TO WITHHOLD SEEMINGLY THREATENED TO WITHHOLD FUNDING FROM CERTAIN INITIATIVES FUNDING FROM CERTAIN INITIATIVES SUPPORTED BY THE CURRENT ACTING SUPPORTED BY THE CURRENT ACTING DNI UNLESS THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S DNI UNLESS THE WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT IS DISCLOSED. COMPLAINT IS DISCLOSED.>>WE WILL LOOK AT WHATEVER>>WE WILL LOOK AT WHATEVER REMEDIES WE HAVE INCLUDING WHEN REMEDIES WE HAVE INCLUDING WHEN THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE COMES TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMES TO THE CONGRESS FOR AUTHORIZATION TO CONGRESS FOR AUTHORIZATION TO REPROGRAM FUNDS FOR ONE PURPOSE REPROGRAM FUNDS FOR ONE PURPOSE OR ANOTHER, WE WILL LOOK TO OR ANOTHER, WE WILL LOOK TO WHETHER HE IS ABIDING BY THE LAW WHETHER HE IS ABIDING BY THE LAW IN MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THOSE IN MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THOSE REQUESTS. REQUESTS. SO WE WILL USE WHATEVER LEVERAGE SO WE WILL USE WHATEVER LEVERAGE WE CAN, BUT AT THE END OF THE WE CAN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE DETERMINED TO VALLEY DAY, WE ARE DETERMINED TO VALLEY DATE THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROCESS DATE THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROCESS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN EXPOSE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN EXPOSE WRONGDOING. WRONGDOING.>>THERE ARE PLENTY OF SIGNS>>THERE ARE PLENTY OF SIGNS INDICATING THIS COMPLAINT INDICATING THIS COMPLAINT CONTAINS SOMETHING PRETTY CONTAINS SOMETHING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, WHETHER IT IS THE SIGNIFICANT, WHETHER IT IS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL’S EFFORTS TO INSPECTOR GENERAL’S EFFORTS TO INFORM CONGRESS, THE INFORM CONGRESS, THE ADMINISTRATION’S EFFORT TO ADMINISTRATION’S EFFORT TO THWART THEM, THE REPORTS LINKING THWART THEM, THE REPORTS LINKING TO DISCUSSIONS WITH A FOREIGN TO DISCUSSIONS WITH A FOREIGN LEADER OR OF COURSE THE LEADER OR OF COURSE THE PRESIDENT’S NONDEENL DENIALNIAL PRESIDENT’S NONDEENL DENIALNIAL BUT WE HAVEN’T SEEN THE BUT WE HAVEN’T SEEN THE COMPLAINT. COMPLAINT. WE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT HE SAID OR WE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT HE SAID OR HOW THISIS WHISTLE BLOWER EVEN HOW THISIS WHISTLE BLOWER EVEN FOUND OUT. FOUND OUT. AND PERHAPS THE BIGGER QUESTION, AND PERHAPS THE BIGGER QUESTION, WHETHER WE WILL EVER FIND OUT. WHETHER WE WILL EVER FIND OUT. AND IF IT IS SOMETHING NOT TO AND IF IT IS SOMETHING NOT TO WORRY ABOUT, PERHAPS THEY WORRY ABOUT, PERHAPS THEY SHOULDN’T BE AFRAID TO DISCLOSE SHOULDN’T BE AFRAID TO DISCLOSE IT. IT. JOINING ME NOW WITH THE LATEST JOINING ME NOW WITH THE LATEST REPORTING IS KEN DILANIAN. REPORTING IS KEN DILANIAN. ALSO A COUPLE PEOPLE WITH ALSO A COUPLE PEOPLE WITH FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE IN THE IC, FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE IN THE IC, JOHN McLAUGHLIN AND ROBERT LITT. JOHN McLAUGHLIN AND ROBERT LITT. SO I THINK THAT I HAVE THREE SO I THINK THAT I HAVE THREE PRETTY GOOD PEOPLE ON THIS. PRETTY GOOD PEOPLE ON THIS. KEN, THE LATEST NOW, WHAT IS THE KEN, THE LATEST NOW, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEPS TO SEEING WHERE WE NEXT STEPS TO SEEING WHERE WE ARE WITH GETTING THIS ARE WITH GETTING THIS INFORMATION. INFORMATION.>>WELL, JOE McGUIRE ACTING>>WELL, JOE McGUIRE ACTING DIRECTOR WHO IS REALLY UNDER DIRECTOR WHO IS REALLY UNDER FIRE HERE IS GOING TO APPEAR IN FIRE HERE IS GOING TO APPEAR IN PUBLIC NEXT WEEK BEFORE THE PUBLIC NEXT WEEK BEFORE THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AT HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AT THEIR REQUEST. THEIR REQUEST. BUT NOBODY EXPECTS HIM TO TALK BUT NOBODY EXPECTS HIM TO TALK IN ANY KIND OF DETAIL ABOUT THIS IN ANY KIND OF DETAIL ABOUT THIS COMPLAINT BECAUSE HE IS REALLY COMPLAINT BECAUSE HE IS REALLY HAMSTRUNG. HAMSTRUNG. AND BY THE WAY THIS IS A FORMER AND BY THE WAY THIS IS A FORMER NAVY S.E.A.L. WHO HAS BEEN NAVY S.E.A.L. WHO HAS BEEN PRAISED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PRAISED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE AS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER. AISLE AS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER. HE IS IN A POSITION WHERE THE HE IS IN A POSITION WHERE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS ESSENTIALLY DECIDED. ESSENTIALLY DECIDED.>>IT SEEMS AS IF THE INSPECTOR>>IT SEEMS AS IF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AT FIRST DURING THE GENERAL AT FIRST DURING THE FIRST LETTER IMPLIED THAT THE FIRST LETTER IMPLIED THAT THE DNI WANTED TO BASICALLY GO DNI WANTED TO BASICALLY GO FORWARD BUT CHECKED WITH JUSTICE FORWARD BUT CHECKED WITH JUSTICE FIRST. FIRST. IS THAT THE CORRECT — IS THAT THE CORRECT –>>WELL, HE IS BEING CRITICIZED>>WELL, HE IS BEING CRITICIZED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THE LAW DOESN’T REALLY PROVIDE THE LAW DOESN’T REALLY PROVIDE FOR THAT, IT JUST SAYS ONCE THE FOR THAT, IT JUST SAYS ONCE THE ICIG DECIDES IT SHOULD GO TO ICIG DECIDES IT SHOULD GO TO CONGRESS, IT IS JUST A RUBBER CONGRESS, IT IS JUST A RUBBER STAMP. STAMP. BUT GIVEN THAT WE KNOW THAT IT BUT GIVEN THAT WE KNOW THAT IT INVOLVED THE PRESIDENT, DID T. INVOLVED THE PRESIDENT, DID T. DOESN’T SEEM CRAZY THAT THE DNI DOESN’T SEEM CRAZY THAT THE DNI WHO WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT WHO WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT WOULDN’T WANT TO RUN IT BY WOULDN’T WANT TO RUN IT BY JUSTICE PARTICULARLY BECAUSE JUSTICE PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A PRIVILEGE THERE MIGHT BE A PRIVILEGE ISSUE. ISSUE. PRESIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH PRESIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH A FOREIGN LEADER MIGHT BE A FOREIGN LEADER MIGHT BE CONSIDERED CONFIDENTIAL. CONSIDERED CONFIDENTIAL. SO WHEN HE DID THAT, THE DOJ SO WHEN HE DID THAT, THE DOJ APPARENTLY BALKED AND ISSUED AN APPARENTLY BALKED AND ISSUED AN OPINION SAYING NO, THIS DOESN’T OPINION SAYING NO, THIS DOESN’T FALL WITHIN THE NARROW CONFINES FALL WITHIN THE NARROW CONFINES OF THAT INTELLIGENCE OF THAT INTELLIGENCE WHISTLEBLOWER LAW AND THAT IS WHISTLEBLOWER LAW AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. WHERE WE ARE. SO HE WENT TO THE HILL AND HE SO HE WENT TO THE HILL AND HE WAS NOT ABLE TO TALK IN DETAIL WAS NOT ABLE TO TALK IN DETAIL ABOUT THE COMPLAINT. ABOUT THE COMPLAINT.>>JOHN, IS THIS SOME THE SORT>>JOHN, IS THIS SOME THE SORT OF RAW INTELLIGENCE? OF RAW INTELLIGENCE? WHAT IS THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WHAT IS THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT AN INTELLIGENCE ANALYST WOULD BE AN INTELLIGENCE ANALYST WOULD BE SEEING THAT COULD BE — THAT SEEING THAT COULD BE — THAT COULD COME ACROSS HIS DESK THAT COULD COME ACROSS HIS DESK THAT WOULD HE GO, OH, THIS DOESN’T WOULD HE GO, OH, THIS DOESN’T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF INTELLIGENCE GATHERING MATERIALS INTELLIGENCE GATHERING MATERIALS THAT THIS COULD BE. THAT THIS COULD BE. ARE THESE TRANSCRIPTS, NSA ARE THESE TRANSCRIPTS, NSA STUFF, WHAT IS IT? STUFF, WHAT IS IT?>>WELL, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD IT>>WELL, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD IT IS, A GUESS HERE, THE TRANSCRIPT IS, A GUESS HERE, THE TRANSCRIPT OF SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT OF SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. SAID. THESE THINGS CIRCULATE THESE THINGS CIRCULATE FREELY IN THE WHITE HOUSE ONCE FREELY IN THE WHITE HOUSE ONCE THE PRESIDENT MAKES A PHONE CALL THE PRESIDENT MAKES A PHONE CALL OR IF N. MY EXPERIENCE IT IS NOT OR IF N. MY EXPERIENCE IT IS NOT HARD TO FIND OUT WHAT THE HARD TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID ON THE PHONE. PRESIDENT SAID ON THE PHONE.>>AND EVERY ONE OF THESE>>AND EVERY ONE OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH WORLD CONVERSATIONS WITH WORLD LEADERS, IT IS ALWAYS FULLY LEADERS, IT IS ALWAYS FULLY TRANSCRIBED? TRANSCRIBED? IS THAT THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT IS THAT THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT EVERYBODY WAS GETTING THIS RAW EVERYBODY WAS GETTING THIS RAW MATERIAL? MATERIAL?>>NO, NOT EVERYONE, BUT I HAD>>NO, NOT EVERYONE, BUT I HAD OFTEN BEEN IN THE ROOM OR OFTEN BEEN IN THE ROOM OR COLLEAGUES HAD BEEN IN THE ROOM COLLEAGUES HAD BEEN IN THE ROOM TO ADVISE THE PRESIDENT, LISTEN TO ADVISE THE PRESIDENT, LISTEN IN ON THE PHONE CALL. IN ON THE PHONE CALL. AND THEN THE TRANSCRIPT WOULD BE AND THEN THE TRANSCRIPT WOULD BE SHARED WITH A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE. SHARED WITH A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE. IT DIDN’T GO BROADLY THROUGHOUT IT DIDN’T GO BROADLY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY.>>THE PHRASE URGENT CONCERN, IS>>THE PHRASE URGENT CONCERN, IS THAT SIGNIFICANT. THAT SIGNIFICANT.>>IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PHRASE.>>IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PHRASE. IT IS USED IN THE LEGISLATION. IT IS USED IN THE LEGISLATION. AND IT IS HARD TO KNOW BECAUSE AND IT IS HARD TO KNOW BECAUSE WE DON’T THEY THE SUBSTANCE OF WE DON’T THEY THE SUBSTANCE OF THE COMPLAINT, WHAT THAT IS IN THE COMPLAINT, WHAT THAT IS IN THIS CASE. THIS CASE. YOU KNOW, AND AT THE EXTREMES YOU KNOW, AND AT THE EXTREMES HERE, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT ON HERE, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT ON THE EXTREMES THAT WOULD JUSTIFY THE EXTREMES THAT WOULD JUSTIFY URGENT CONCERN FOR THE URGENT CONCERN FOR THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, IT WOULD INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, IT WOULD BE THE PRESIDENT REVEALING BE THE PRESIDENT REVEALING SOMETHING ABOUT A SOURCE OR A SOMETHING ABOUT A SOURCE OR A METHOD AND SO FORTH, WHICH HE METHOD AND SO FORTH, WHICH HE HAS THE RIGHT TO DECLASSIFY, BUT HAS THE RIGHT TO DECLASSIFY, BUT THERE IS A FINE LINE HERE THERE IS A FINE LINE HERE PARTICULARLY IF YOU ARE GETTING PARTICULARLY IF YOU ARE GETTING IN TO SOURCE IDENTITY. IN TO SOURCE IDENTITY. AND AT THE OTHER EXTREME ON THE AND AT THE OTHER EXTREME ON THE PRIVILEGE SIDE, PERHAPS HE SAID PRIVILEGE SIDE, PERHAPS HE SAID SOMETHING OF A POLICY NATURE SOMETHING OF A POLICY NATURE THAT WAS EXWLEENLGGREGIOUSEGREGI THAT WAS EXWLEENLGGREGIOUSEGREGI UP SOMETHING, WHAT IF HE SAID TO UP SOMETHING, WHAT IF HE SAID TO PUTIN, DON’T WORRY ABOUT PUTIN, DON’T WORRY ABOUT UKRAINE, I’M NOT GOING TO GIVE UKRAINE, I’M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU TROUBLE THERE. YOU TROUBLE THERE. THAT WOULD NOT BE — THAT WOULD NOT BE –>>THROWING OUT COUNTRY IDEAS>>THROWING OUT COUNTRY IDEAS THERE, YEAH. THERE, YEAH.>>DON’T WANT TO GIVE IDEAS.>>DON’T WANT TO GIVE IDEAS. BUT THAT WOULD NOT TECHNICALLY BUT THAT WOULD NOT TECHNICALLY BE AN INTELLIGENCE MATTER. BE AN INTELLIGENCE MATTER. SO IT IS THE JUDGMENT OF THE SO IT IS THE JUDGMENT OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER HERE ABOUT WHAT IS WHISTLEBLOWER HERE ABOUT WHAT IS IT THAT IS WORTHY TO SURFACE IT THAT IS WORTHY TO SURFACE HERE. HERE. SO IT IS A JUDGMENT ISSUE ON SO IT IS A JUDGMENT ISSUE ON MANY LEVELS. MANY LEVELS.>>ROBERT, HAVE YOU EVER HAD –>>ROBERT, HAVE YOU EVER HAD — DID YOU EVER DEAL WITH A DID YOU EVER DEAL WITH A SITUATION LIKE THIS? SITUATION LIKE THIS?>>NO, I’M NOT AWARE OF ANYTIME>>NO, I’M NOT AWARE OF ANYTIME WHEN THIS SITUATION HAS COME UP. WHEN THIS SITUATION HAS COME UP. WE OBVIOUSLY HAD A LOT OF WE OBVIOUSLY HAD A LOT OF DEALINGS RELATING TO WHICH ISLE DEALINGS RELATING TO WHICH ISLE WHISTLEBLOWERS, BUT NEVER WHERE WHISTLEBLOWERS, BUT NEVER WHERE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SAID THIS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SAID THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TRANSMITTED TO CONGRESS AND THE TRANSMITTED TO CONGRESS AND THE DNI REFUSED. DNI REFUSED.>>YOU SAY IT VERY BLANKLY.>>YOU SAY IT VERY BLANKLY. ARE YOU SHOCKED THAT THE DNI DID ARE YOU SHOCKED THAT THE DNI DID NOT TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE IG NOT TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE IG HERE? HERE?>>I THINK THAT JOHN McLAUGHLIN>>I THINK THAT JOHN McLAUGHLIN IS RIGHT, I THINK THAT IF YOU IS RIGHT, I THINK THAT IF YOU ASSUME THAT THE REPORTING IS ASSUME THAT THE REPORTING IS ACCURATE AND THIS REPORT ACCURATE AND THIS REPORT IMPLICATES THE PRESIDENT IN SOME IMPLICATES THE PRESIDENT IN SOME RESPECT, I THINK THAT IT IS RESPECT, I THINK THAT IT IS PRUDENT FOR THE DNI TO MAKE SURE PRUDENT FOR THE DNI TO MAKE SURE THAT HE IS NOT OUT ON THAT LIM THAT HE IS NOT OUT ON THAT LIM BY HIMSELF AND TO CHECK AND MAKE BY HIMSELF AND TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT OTHERS AGREE THAT IT SURE THAT OTHERS AGREE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO SEND IT ON TO IS APPROPRIATE TO SEND IT ON TO CONGRESS.AND TO CHECK AND MAKE CONGRESS.AND TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT OTHERS AGREE THAT IT SURE THAT OTHERS AGREE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO SEND IT ON TO IS APPROPRIATE TO SEND IT ON TO CONGRESS. CONGRESS. AS YOU NOTED, IT IS PRETTY CLEAR AS YOU NOTED, IT IS PRETTY CLEAR THE DNI AND HIS PEOPLE ARE THE DNI AND HIS PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SEND OUT SIGNALS THAT TRYING TO SEND OUT SIGNALS THAT THIS IS NOT OUR CALL, IT IS THIS IS NOT OUR CALL, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TOLD TO SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TOLD TO DO. DO.>>WE KEEP PREFERRING TO THIS>>WE KEEP PREFERRING TO THIS PERSON AS A WHISTLEBLOWER. PERSON AS A WHISTLEBLOWER. DOES HE HAVE WHISTLEBLOWER DOES HE HAVE WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTIONS? PROTECTIONS?>>YES, THIS PERSON NOW HAS>>YES, THIS PERSON NOW HAS WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTIONS. WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTIONS.>>HOW?>>HOW?>>BECAUSE THIS PERSON HAS DONE>>BECAUSE THIS PERSON HAS DONE EVERYTHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH EVERYTHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATUTE THAT JOHN McLAUGHLIN THE STATUTE THAT JOHN McLAUGHLIN REFERRED TO EARLIER, THE REFERRED TO EARLIER, THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, THE PROTECTION ACT AND THE ORDERS PROTECTION ACT AND THE ORDERS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND DNI THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND DNI CLAPPER ISSUED FOR THE CLAPPER ISSUED FOR THE PROTECTION OF WHISTLE BLOWERS. PROTECTION OF WHISTLE BLOWERS.>>BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME>>BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONING — ARE YOU SAYING IF QUESTIONING — ARE YOU SAYING IF ADAM SCHIFF SUBPOENAS THE WHISZ ADAM SCHIFF SUBPOENAS THE WHISZ WHISTLEBLOWER TOMORROW, THE WHISTLEBLOWER TOMORROW, THE WHISTLEBLOWER WON’T BE BREAKING WHISTLEBLOWER WON’T BE BREAKING THE LAW DISCLOSING CLASS FILED THE LAW DISCLOSING CLASS FILED FIREFIGHTER IF THEY TESTIFY ON FIREFIGHTER IF THEY TESTIFY ON THE HILL? THE HILL?>>THAT IS A REALLY INTERESTING>>THAT IS A REALLY INTERESTING SITUATION. SITUATION. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE CONGRESS AND THE EXECUTIVE CONGRESS AND THE EXECUTIVE DISAGREE. DISAGREE.>>THAT IS WHERE I WAS GETTING>>THAT IS WHERE I WAS GETTING AT AND THAT DISAGREEMENT I AT AND THAT DISAGREEMENT I ASSUME LIMITS ADAM SCHIFF’S — I ASSUME LIMITS ADAM SCHIFF’S — I THINK THAT HE WHY HE WENT TO THINK THAT HE WHY HE WENT TO MONEY. MONEY. IT IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT IT IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT SUBPOENA ISN’T REALLY HELPFUL SUBPOENA ISN’T REALLY HELPFUL HERE. HERE.>>I DON’T THINK SO.>>I DON’T THINK SO. SCHIFF SUGGESTED THAT HE HAD A SCHIFF SUGGESTED THAT HE HAD A CASE AND THAT JUDGE MIGHT ACT CASE AND THAT JUDGE MIGHT ACT QUICKLY ON IT BUT HISTORICALLY QUICKLY ON IT BUT HISTORICALLY COURTS HAVE BEEN LOATH TO COURTS HAVE BEEN LOATH TO REFEREE THESE INTER-BRANCH REFEREE THESE INTER-BRANCH DISPUTES. DISPUTES. SO I THINK SCHIFF IS RIGHT TO SO I THINK SCHIFF IS RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE LEVERAGE OF TALK ABOUT THE LEVERAGE OF MONEY. MONEY. ABOUT YOU THERE IS A CONTEXT ABOUT YOU THERE IS A CONTEXT HERE THAT QUITE APART FROM THIS HERE THAT QUITE APART FROM THIS BATTLE OF THE BRANCHES, WE HAVE BATTLE OF THE BRANCHES, WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO HAS BEEN A PRESIDENT WHO HAS BEEN CONTEMPT CHEW US OF THE CONTEMPT CHEW US OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND CAVALIER WITH SECRETS.CHEW US OF CAVALIER WITH SECRETS.CHEW US OF INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND CAVALIER WITH SECRETS. CAVALIER WITH SECRETS. COMPLAINTS TO THE HOTLINE HAVE COMPLAINTS TO THE HOTLINE HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE DONALD MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE DONALD TRUMP TOOK OFFICE. TRUMP TOOK OFFICE. SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF CONCERN SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF CONCERN THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN UNDER THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN UNDER PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS. PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS.>>IF THIS WERE WHAT I WOULD>>IF THIS WERE WHAT I WOULD CALL A NORMAL ADMINISTRATION, CALL A NORMAL ADMINISTRATION, THERE WAS A WAY TO GET THROUGH THERE WAS A WAY TO GET THROUGH THIS AND IN THE STATUTE THERE IS THIS AND IN THE STATUTE THERE IS DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING CALLED DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING CALLED AN ACCOMMODATION PROCEDURE. AN ACCOMMODATION PROCEDURE. FANCY WORD FOR BASICALLY GETTING FANCY WORD FOR BASICALLY GETTING TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THIS. SHOULD DO ABOUT THIS.>>AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS THIS>>AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING. MORNING. IN A FUNCTIONING RELATIONSHIP IN A FUNCTIONING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE INTEL COMMUNITY AND BETWEEN THE INTEL COMMUNITY AND CONGRESS, THIS FEELS LIKE ONE OF CONGRESS, THIS FEELS LIKE ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE YOU WOULD THOSE MOMENTS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE GATHERED THE GANG OF EIGHT HAVE GATHERED THE GANG OF EIGHT FIRST, WHICH IS THE FOUR FIRST, WHICH IS THE FOUR LEADERS, FOUR MAJOR LEADERS OF LEADERS, FOUR MAJOR LEADERS OF THE CONGRESS BOTH PARTIES, PLUS THE CONGRESS BOTH PARTIES, PLUS THE HEADS OF THE INTEL THE HEADS OF THE INTEL COMMITTEES AND THEIR RANKING COMMITTEES AND THEIR RANKING MEMBERS, AND YOU SAY GUYS, I MEMBERS, AND YOU SAY GUYS, I KNOW — YOU SORT OF MASH ITHASH KNOW — YOU SORT OF MASH ITHASH>>THERE ARE A DOZEN WAYS TO>>THERE ARE A DOZEN WAYS TO DEAL WITH THIS. DEAL WITH THIS. ONE WOULD BE TO USE THE GANG OF ONE WOULD BE TO USE THE GANG OF EIGHT THAT YOU REFERRED TO AND EIGHT THAT YOU REFERRED TO AND ANOTHER WOULD BE TO SHOW THIS ANOTHER WOULD BE TO SHOW THIS INFORMATION TO THE CHAIRMAN AND INFORMATION TO THE CHAIRMAN AND RANKING AND SAY HERE IS WHY WE RANKING AND SAY HERE IS WHY WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS. HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS. AND YOU CAN HAVE THIS PART OF IT AND YOU CAN HAVE THIS PART OF IT BUT NOT THIS PART. BUT NOT THIS PART. YOU CAN’T HAVE A COPY OF IT. YOU CAN’T HAVE A COPY OF IT. AND YOU CAN WORK THROUGH THESE AND YOU CAN WORK THROUGH THESE THINGS. THINGS. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME BIPARTISAN DESIRE TO WORK BIPARTISAN DESIRE TO WORK THROUGH THEM. THROUGH THEM.>>I WANT TO PUT UP A FULL>>I WANT TO PUT UP A FULL SCREEN HERE. SCREEN HERE. THIS IS THE STATUTE FOR THE IG. THIS IS THE STATUTE FOR THE IG. UPON RECEIPT OF A TRANSMITTAL, UPON RECEIPT OF A TRANSMITTAL, DIRECTOR SHALL WITHIN SEVEN DIRECTOR SHALL WITHIN SEVEN CALENDAR DAYS FORWARD SUCH CALENDAR DAYS FORWARD SUCH TRANSMITTAL TO THE CONGRESSIONAL TRANSMITTAL TO THE CONGRESSIONAL INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES TOGETHER INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES TOGETHER WITH ANY COMMENTS THE DIRECTOR WITH ANY COMMENTS THE DIRECTOR CONSIDERS APPROPRIATE. CONSIDERS APPROPRIATE. I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, HAS THE ACTING DNI BROKEN THE HAS THE ACTING DNI BROKEN THE LAW HERE, IS HE FOLLOWING THE LAW HERE, IS HE FOLLOWING THE LAW OR IF HE DOESN’T DO THIS LAW OR IF HE DOESN’T DO THIS WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, HAS HE BROKEN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, HAS HE BROKEN THE LAW? THE LAW?>>IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE>>IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POSITION OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH POSITION OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH GOING BACK FOR BOTH PRESIDENT GOING BACK FOR BOTH PRESIDENT CLINTON AND PRESIDENT OBAMA AT CLINTON AND PRESIDENT OBAMA AT THE TIME THEY SIGNED PORTIONS OF THE TIME THEY SIGNED PORTIONS OF THIS LAW THAT DESPITE THE THIS LAW THAT DESPITE THE SEEMINGLY MANDATORY LANGUAGE OF SEEMINGLY MANDATORY LANGUAGE OF THE LAW, THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE LAW, THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE PRESIDENT FROM EXERCISING THE PRESIDENT FROM EXERCISING CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITIES TO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITIES TO CONTROL THE DISSEMINATION OF CONTROL THE DISSEMINATION OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OR CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OR PRIVILEGED INFORMATION. PRIVILEGED INFORMATION. AND SO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND SO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WOULD TAKE THE POSITION THAT WOULD TAKE THE POSITION THAT DESPITE THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAW, DESPITE THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAW, THE PRESIDENT CAN SAY NO, YOU THE PRESIDENT CAN SAY NO, YOU MAY NOT DISCLOSE THIS IF HE HAS MAY NOT DISCLOSE THIS IF HE HAS A VALID REASON. A VALID REASON. AND THEN WE GET INTO THE KIND OF AND THEN WE GET INTO THE KIND OF TUGGING BACK AND FORTH AND TUGGING BACK AND FORTH AND EXERCISING LEVERAGE THAT YOU EXERCISING LEVERAGE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO WERE TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO GO. GO.>>BOB, I WANT TO GO MORE TO>>BOB, I WANT TO GO MORE TO PRIVILEGE HERE A SECOND. PRIVILEGE HERE A SECOND. I HAD THOUGHT AND MAYBE I I HAD THOUGHT AND MAYBE I MISHEARD OR MISUNDERSTOOD THIS, MISHEARD OR MISUNDERSTOOD THIS, I HAD THOUGHT WHEN IT CAME TO I HAD THOUGHT WHEN IT CAME TO OUR SURVEILLANCE IF WE WERE OUR SURVEILLANCE IF WE WERE SURVEILLING A FOREIGN LEADER AND SURVEILLING A FOREIGN LEADER AND WE WERE LISTENING IN ON THEIR WE WERE LISTENING IN ON THEIR CONVERSATIONS THAT THE MINUTE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE MINUTE THAT THE PRESIDENT — THIS WAS THAT THE PRESIDENT — THIS WAS AN NSA THING AND THE MINUTE THAT AN NSA THING AND THE MINUTE THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS RECORDED WE THE PRESIDENT WAS RECORDED WE DIDN’T — WE DIDN’T DO IT, YOU DIDN’T — WE DIDN’T DO IT, YOU KNOW? KNOW? IT WAS CONSIDERED PRIVILEGED. IT WAS CONSIDERED PRIVILEGED. IT WASN’T CONSIDERED SORT OF RAW IT WASN’T CONSIDERED SORT OF RAW INTELLIGENCE. INTELLIGENCE. IS THAT NOT THE CASE? IS THAT NOT THE CASE? IS THERE A SPECIAL WAY THAT IS IS THERE A SPECIAL WAY THAT IS HANDLED WHEN WE’RE SURVEILLING HANDLED WHEN WE’RE SURVEILLING SOMEBODY THAT IS SPEAKING TO THE SOMEBODY THAT IS SPEAKING TO THE PRESIDENT OR A MAJOR CABINET PRESIDENT OR A MAJOR CABINET MEMBER? MEMBER?>>I GUESS I’M NOT AT LIBERTY TO>>I GUESS I’M NOT AT LIBERTY TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS OF HOW WE TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS OF HOW WE CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE. CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE. I WILL SAY IT IS NOT AT ALL I WILL SAY IT IS NOT AT ALL NECESSARILY TRUE THAT THIS CAME NECESSARILY TRUE THAT THIS CAME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF AN ABOUT AS A RESULT OF AN INTERCEPTION OF A COMMUNICATION. INTERCEPTION OF A COMMUNICATION.>>FAIR ENOUGH.>>FAIR ENOUGH.>>THERE ARE OTHER WAYS IT COULD>>THERE ARE OTHER WAYS IT COULD HAVE COME TO THE ATTENTION OF HAVE COME TO THE ATTENTION OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER. THE WHISTLEBLOWER.>>I GUESS WITHOUT GETTING INTO>>I GUESS WITHOUT GETTING INTO SPECIFICS, IS THERE SORT OF A SPECIFICS, IS THERE SORT OF A SPECIAL WAY PRESIDENTS AND VICE SPECIAL WAY PRESIDENTS AND VICE PRESIDENTS ARE TREATED WHEN YOU PRESIDENTS ARE TREATED WHEN YOU ARE CONDUCTING SURVEILLANCE? ARE CONDUCTING SURVEILLANCE?>>YES, IN THE SENSE THAT YOU>>YES, IN THE SENSE THAT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OUT ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OUT AND LOOKING FOR COMMUNICATIONS AND LOOKING FOR COMMUNICATIONS OF THE PRESIDENT AND VICE OF THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. YOUR TARGETS ARE FOREIGN YOUR TARGETS ARE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. INTELLIGENCE. BUT IF YOU INTERCEPT FOR EXAMPLE BUT IF YOU INTERCEPT FOR EXAMPLE TWO OFFICIALS OF A FOREIGN TWO OFFICIALS OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TALKING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, THAT MAY WELL BE OF PRESIDENT, THAT MAY WELL BE OF IMPORTANT INTELLIGENCE VALUE. IMPORTANT INTELLIGENCE VALUE.>>BOB CAN’T ANSWER THIS, BUT>>BOB CAN’T ANSWER THIS, BUT TWO OFFICIALS TOLD ME THAT THE TWO OFFICIALS TOLD ME THAT THE RULE IS IF A U.S. OFFICIAL IS ON RULE IS IF A U.S. OFFICIAL IS ON THE LINE THEY ARE LISTENING TO, THE LINE THEY ARE LISTENING TO, THEY STOP. THEY STOP.>>THAT IS WHAT I HAD ALWAYS>>THAT IS WHAT I HAD ALWAYS HEARD. HEARD. IS THAT NOT REALLY POLICY BUT IS THAT NOT REALLY POLICY BUT SORT OF A NORM, JOHN? SORT OF A NORM, JOHN?>>IT IS CERTAINLY PRACTICE.>>IT IS CERTAINLY PRACTICE. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS IN YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS IN GOVERNMENT ARE PRACTICE. GOVERNMENT ARE PRACTICE. AND THERE IS PROBABLY A AND THERE IS PROBABLY A REGULATION THAT GOVERNS THAT. REGULATION THAT GOVERNS THAT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS.>>THE LARGER ISSUE HERE THAT I>>THE LARGER ISSUE HERE THAT I HAD HEARD AND I THINK ONE THING HAD HEARD AND I THINK ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SURFACE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SURFACE HERE BEFORE WE FINISH THIS HERE BEFORE WE FINISH THIS CONVERSATION IS ALL OF THESE CONVERSATION IS ALL OF THESE EPISODES ABOUT LEAKING OF EPISODES ABOUT LEAKING OF AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE, WHETHER AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE, WHETHER IT WAS WHAT KEN BROUGHT UP WITH IT WAS WHAT KEN BROUGHT UP WITH THE RUSSIANS, THE FACT THAT HE THE RUSSIANS, THE FACT THAT HE PUT UP THAT SATELLITE PHOTO WITH PUT UP THAT SATELLITE PHOTO WITH THE IRANIAN — PROVING, HEY, THE IRANIAN — PROVING, HEY, LOOK WHAT WE DID WITH THE LAUNCH LOOK WHAT WE DID WITH THE LAUNCH PAD. PAD. THAT THIS HAS SERVED TO DO TWO THAT THIS HAS SERVED TO DO TWO THINGS I’VE HEARD. THINGS I’VE HEARD. ONE, OUR FIVE EYES PARTNERS ARE ONE, OUR FIVE EYES PARTNERS ARE NOT SHARING THE WAY THEY USED NOT SHARING THE WAY THEY USED TO, THAT THAT IS NUMBER ONE. TO, THAT THAT IS NUMBER ONE. AND THE SECOND, INTERNAL U.S. AND THE SECOND, INTERNAL U.S. ANALYSTS ARE BEING CAREFUL HOW ANALYSTS ARE BEING CAREFUL HOW THEY GIVE THE PRESIDENT BAD THEY GIVE THE PRESIDENT BAD NEWS. NEWS.>>I DON’T KNOW THE FACTS OF>>I DON’T KNOW THE FACTS OF THOSE SITUATIONS, CHUCK, BUT I THOSE SITUATIONS, CHUCK, BUT I DID KNOW ON THE FIRST POINT YOU DID KNOW ON THE FIRST POINT YOU RAISED ABOUT RELUCTANCE TO SHARE RAISED ABOUT RELUCTANCE TO SHARE BY FOREIGN PARTNER, I’VE HAD AT BY FOREIGN PARTNER, I’VE HAD AT LEAST ONE PERSONALLY RAISE WITH LEAST ONE PERSONALLY RAISE WITH ME THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT IS ME THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT IS OKAY. OKAY. AND I TRIED TO OFFER SOME AND I TRIED TO OFFER SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW THAT PERSON THOUGHTS ON HOW THAT PERSON SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT. SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT — IT IS HARD I DON’T KNOW ABOUT — IT IS HARD IF ME TO THINK OF THE IF ME TO THINK OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY WITHHOLDING SOMETHING FROM — WITHHOLDING SOMETHING FROM –>>IT IS NOT A WITHHOLD ISSUE,>>IT IS NOT A WITHHOLD ISSUE, IT IS MORE OF HOW DO YOU DELIVER IT IS MORE OF HOW DO YOU DELIVER IT. IT.>>YES, HOW DO YOU DELIVER IT>>YES, HOW DO YOU DELIVER IT CERTAINLY. CERTAINLY. FAIR ENOUGH. FAIR ENOUGH. THERE IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT THERE IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT IN ALL OF THIS THAT I THINK WE IN ALL OF THIS THAT I THINK WE CAN’T MISS. CAN’T MISS. AND THAT IS ALL OF THIS AND THAT IS ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WHISTLEBLOWER STATUTE IS WHISTLEBLOWER STATUTE IS PROBABLY GOING TO DISCOURAGE PROBABLY GOING TO DISCOURAGE WHISTLE BLOWING. WHISTLE BLOWING. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU ARE IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU ARE SOMEONE — AND BY THE WAY, THIS SOMEONE — AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE INTELLIGENCE WORLD THAT INTELLIGENCE WORLD THAT INTELLIGENCE LEADERS SUPPORT INTELLIGENCE LEADERS SUPPORT BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE MORALE BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE MORALE OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.>>MAKE SURE THEIR JOB IF THEY>>MAKE SURE THEIR JOB IF THEY FOUND TROUBLING STUFF — FOUND TROUBLING STUFF –>>IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY>>IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING. SOMETHING.>>AND THEY TRIED DO THE RIGHT>>AND THEY TRIED DO THE RIGHT THING AND IT DIDN’T GO OUT. THING AND IT DIDN’T GO OUT. PEOPLE HAD TO GO FOR THE MEDIA. PEOPLE HAD TO GO FOR THE MEDIA.>>AND CAUGHT UP IN BUREAUCRACY>>AND CAUGHT UP IN BUREAUCRACY NOW. NOW.>>IS THAT WHAT YOU EXPECT,>>IS THAT WHAT YOU EXPECT, FEWER MISSAL BLOW LEWHISTLEBLOWE FEWER MISSAL BLOW LEWHISTLEBLOWE>>I WOULD HOPE NOT.>>I WOULD HOPE NOT. WE HAVEN’T YET SEEN HOW IT PLAYS WE HAVEN’T YET SEEN HOW IT PLAYS OUT. OUT. IT MAY WELL PLAY OUT THAT THE IT MAY WELL PLAY OUT THAT THE INFORMATION COMES OUT AND INFORMATION COMES OUT AND APPROPRIATE ACTION IS TAKEN. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS TAKEN. SO I WOULD ASK PEOPLE NOT TO BE SO I WOULD ASK PEOPLE NOT TO BE DISCOURAGED NOW. DISCOURAGED NOW. AS JOHN SAID, IF YOU SEE

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  • No Ken Dilanian. Corruption by the President does not have ‘privilege’. It’s like some in media are so interested in their own Ego & opinion they don’t consider the stupidity of it before they say it. Dilanian Vogel & Schmidt are the most guilty of this affliction. But Tapper & Cuomo also give them a good run for the money 💰

  • Yeah sorry mr Former DNI. Schiff has already made clear that whatever it was the WB reported, it was NOT a ‘policy issue’. Why can’t these people who go on TV know the latest reporting BEFORE they opine on something NOT germane to the issue & IRRELEVANT??

  • Why the whistleblower go all out to report on the phone conversation from President and other world leaders be afraid to be eyewitness to Congress ..why ?

  • Trump's argument that he would not say anything inappropriate makes me laugh out loud: this guy never learned what is "inappropriate" – period. Would not be a bit surprised if that new crap was not actually initiated by trumps cronies themselves, just to make enough wind, give Trumpster a way of instant victimhood and therefore distract from all the real issues that are at stake for us in 2020. The fact that Barr is at the center again could well mean that it is precisely what we know this president and crew does so well: "hazing" our entire country yet again.

  • Trump has to satisfy his boss Putin, that America is bankrupt, go to war with Iran for Putin to win. Big support from Moscow Mitich, A.G. Bill Barr, all cronies, members of the Republican Party and all Trump's appointees.

  • Apparently the whistle blower is Creepy Bribing Uncle Kiddy Fiddler Joe. I saw Creepy Bribing Joe on YouTube bragging about how one billion dollars in financial aid would be with held if Ukraine did not stop a criminal investigation on his son Hunter. That was from Kiddie Fiddler Joe's own lips, don't tell me he already forgot about that too! Click this link folks. This was during the Obama Administration. Listen to Joe's words during Creepy Joe's bribe attack. Joe admits the truth that he was trying to help Hunter Biden. Joe is a forgetful, denture slipping liar. Tell it like it is.

    https://youtu.be/KCF9My1vBP4

  • Trump is in a spot somebody needs USA to bomb Iran if he doesn't they will destroy his reputation they have hundreds of scenario ready to roll trump will bomb iran or will lose his job

  • Dumb enough! You ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO DO EXACTLY THAT!!!! AFTER ALL YOU THINK YOU ARE ABOVE THE LAW AND APPENTLY YOU ARE IN THE VERSION OF AMERICA!!

  • CONGRESS had better do their job concerning this matter. We are sick of soap opera investigations with nothing being done. The Fact remains, they were blocking a whistleblower complaint from Congress.

  • MSNBC is such a waste!
    My God give it a rest. How many reports do we need on this topic?

    How about you wait for the facts to come out instead of going on and on..?

  • This should not be a Partisan but a National Security concern USA has a 2 mile coastal Claim but Most Countries have a 200 mile coastal Claim and very fitting considering the offshore drilling and Oil.
    USA has a Pipeline going right across the Country to the Gulf of Mexico.
    Very interesting Kick Back sheme.
    Allan.

  • My I get my human right dividends for all this government stress it’s crazy how all these huge companies taken all the money but it’s a problem for me to ask for 5Trillion $ MY I PLS HAVE MY GOD GIFT AS WELL ITS ENOUGH MONEY FOR ALL OF US 🙏

  • I'm skeptical on this story but hopefully, this is finally the one that gets Trump as it's getting scary because of the large turnouts at his rallies. It seems like the more negative news that comes out the stronger Trump gets. Somehow, sometime soon something has to stick or we got him for eight more years!!

  • Congress needs to take note of the way the boundaries have changed under Trump's "break the law and dare them to stop you" playbook. Simply bring the whistle blower in, have him illegally reveal classified information, then immediately give him immunity in return for testifying to congress about that violation of the law. They can do that- remember we were told congress shouldn't be looking at Russia collusion because they might immunize someone Mueller needed to squeeze- well that cuts both ways.

  • How can someone who is accused of something prevent that this information is going to the people who are tasked with supervising him? There's a big flaw in this system.

  • This whistleblower stuff will go the same way as the Mueller report, stripped of all credibility before it even sees the light of day.
    The only way to stop these blockages is to pour caustic soda on them by means of the interested parties saying, sod it all I'm telling everything. When the truth is out you cannot squeeze it back in the box.

  • Every body thought that the American justice system was time tested and impenetrable. But its just the opposite and its playing out to be the worst.

  • grow up….bring charges or shut up…. being a narcissistic supply is the same as being a narcissist. Flip side of the coin. Wake up.heal and stop it!

  • As a Russian Asset, Trump should always be addressed as such. "As a traitor to our country should you as president be seeking armed conflict with Iran on such a large scale?" That is how Trump should be questioned. There is no doubt Trump is working with Russia in some capacity if not 100% devoted to Putin and his agenda.

  • An unknown source heard President Trump talk to an unknown leader and asked an unknown question. But fake news MSNBC spins this unknown into a negative story.

  • I swear that this Dump presidency has been constant corruption, constant cheating, constant drama, constant crap. The past few years are a joke! Jeezus Christ, when does it stop?

  • A coalition of leading nations, Britain among them hammered out a deal with Iran. It was a diplomatic attempt to contain Iran's nuclear ambitions and provocative policies in the region. Then one of the nation members sabotaged the deal. Now, that member nation is facing the possibility of armed conflict with Iran and no doubt will be looking to the other members of the coalition for support. I as a Brit would not like to see my son called to serve in such a conflict. From my point of view we are all watching a bad situation being made worse.

  • Yes Trump, you are dumb..you just told everyone about some kind of wiring in the individual concrete blocks… You are an absolute moron. If you can so easily tell secrets about the wall. Then you can definitely say or write about sensitive information.
    TRUMP, is like a little kid that tells on himself. What an complete joke,moron, and just a complete LOSER.

  • Yes we do know that trump is dumb enough to say everything dumb. Every time trump opens his mouth something dumb comes out of it

  • The USA does not appear to be a democracy!! If the President can block everything that comes before him then you have a dictatorship !!

  • after two yrs of this is it, collusion, trump in trouble, experts (demmys) saying impeachemnt, this is that or generally leaving words out, adding words, blasting the kid (sandmen? not sure his name then the whole video comes out and kid did nothing, error after error on reporting now at it again well seems like they have a trump fetish just come out and say we are here to destroy a president and overthrow the voters shameful

  • Trump has been exposing the weakness of the Congress and US courts. Everyone will just dismiss it as locker room talk!!! 😱

  • Whistleblower wasn't in on phone call. You can't whistleblow something you were a 1st hand witness to.

    No quid pro quo was offered.

    Nobody else had an issue with the phone conversation, except the 'whistleblower'. Think about that a minute.

  • What happened to free speech? This administration gags anyone who wants to speak in opposition. Has the USA become a totalitarian state?

  • OK I can see Wile E. Coyote once again running into the Cliff or off the Cliff. The left reminds me of Wile E. Coyote chasing the Road Runner
    and losing every time. I hope you never get tired of this I am looking forward to the next 5 years of the left and their meltdowns. "Cant you
    hear the music and see Wile E. Coyote plans getting foiled again by the FACTS"

  • OK I can see Wile E. Coyote once again running into the Cliff or off the Cliff. The left reminds me of Wile E. Coyote chasing the Road Runner
    and losing every time. I hope you never get tired of this I am looking forward to the next 5 years of the left and their meltdowns. "Cant you
    hear the music and see Wile E. Coyote plans getting foiled again by the FACTS"

  • OK I can see Wile E. Coyote once again running into the Cliff or off the Cliff. The left reminds me of Wile E. Coyote chasing the Road Runner
    and losing every time. I hope you never get tired of this I am looking forward to the next 5 years of the left and their meltdowns. "Cant you
    hear the music and see Wile E. Coyote plans getting foiled again by the FACTS"

  • You don't know anything, you work for MSNBC! But Bidden is the real story he committed treason, conspiracy, and fraud! So did John Kerry who should have been hanged for going to Iran behind Trumps back!

  • Well, I'm sorry, but presidential communications with a foreign leader cannot be deemed "confidential" in any sense, when both parties know that numerous third party employees of both nations are monitoring the call. If you give up your "confidentiality" for that purpose, you give it up for all purposes. It really is as simple as that.

  • Trump breaks the Law , Screws up and it gets out , then tries to Cover it -up claiming , EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE , National Security Information and cannot be Released to Anyone , So that's why you have Congress's INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE , to Evaluate whether it's appropriate to release the info to the Public or to remain Secret , Congress's Intelligence Committee has full Authorization to recieve ANY Intelligence Information about what the Administration is Doing , the Only Question is ," Can it be Released to the Public " ? that's why you have this Committee in Congress in the first place , to determine whether it's appropriate or not , isn't this part of Congress's OVERSITE DUTIES , this is Trump's " DICTATOR RULES " , Flaunting US LAWS To Do Whatever he Wants and or to Cover-up his Crimes

  • Infighting will destroy a nation faster that external forces. The whistleblower has done a good job for China. Could s he or she be a stock trading loser, a losing merchant doing business with China or even a Chinese spy?

  • What a stupid question at 9 minutes. How can this guy answer whether the guy will be disclosing classified information without even knowing what information is going to be disclosed? And further Donald Trump said he's releasing the transcripts so how can it be classified if Trump is going to release it to the public?

  • Wouldn’t this be funny, if the Whistle Blower is working for trump, to lead the democrats into an investigation – That’s has nothing to impeach him for.

    Just thinking, he has advisors who could set this all up,
    As a strategy to win the 2020 election as an innocent unliked man.

    – Wow⁉️
    This is a Fairy Tale Live in Reality

  • Teflon Don has been here many times…this is how someone acts when they believe they are bullet proof.
    His ego is the silver bullet…and his inability to admit to mistakes. #sharpiegate

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