Wilson Combat AR9-G 9mm Carbine Review


– Hey guys, James again for TFB TV. Today on TFB TV, I’m
very excited to introduce to you the new Wilson Combat AR 9. (gun firing) And this is Wilson Combat,
9 milometer AR 15 carbine. And I’m reluctant to
refer to it as an AR 15 style carbine because Wilson Combat really wants to emphasize that
this gun was developed from the ground up to
be a 9 milometer carbine that shares some
similarities with the AR 15. This is the AR 9 g, g
being short for Glock. This model takes Glock magazines. And while Wilson is going
to make a model that takes Beretta magazines and a model that takes Smith and Wesson M&P magazines, I guarantee you that the Glock version is going to be the most popular. You have more options
with the Glock magazine. You have manufacturers
making Glock magazines that are reliable, high
quality and inexpensive including Magpul so to me I think it’s a no brainer to get the Glock model. So let’s go front to back here guys. To start, you’ve got a
five eight by 24 inch threaded 9 milometer
barrel that comes with a Q-comp/flash hider on the front. Now if I can make a
brief comment about that. Five eight by 24 is kind
of an odd thread pitch to have for a 9 milometer barrel. So I’m kinda disappointed to see Wilson go with one of the odder
thread pitches for the barrel. But at the end of the day, it’s not really that big of a deal. Moving back you have
the Wilson Combat trim, t-r-i-m hand guard, it’s
a free float hand guard. Easy to change out if you need to. And you may be able to see,
it’s got a couple sling studs on either side, quick
disconnect sling studs. And then it has threaded
portions on the three o’clock, six o’clock and nine o’clock of the rail where you can screw on little
pieces of Picatinny rail. I also note that for an
extra 100 dollar upcharge you can get a fluted barrel model if you want to cut down on some weight. I think that for an extra 100 dollars that’s a pretty decent deal
if ounces matter to you. And continuing backwards you can see that the magwell is flared and beveled. Very nice, easy insert for
the mags even if you’re not looking at the magwell
when you’re doing it. Very nice billet receiver, has a built in trigger guard as you can see here. It’s got the Wilson Combat two stage TTU or tactical trigger unit which is supposed to be four pounds. This also comes with a
Wilson Combat branded BCM star-burst grip which
has a storage compartment that had no star-burst in it. I think somebody from Wilson
Combat ate them before they sent this to me so I’ll be in
touch with them about that. Finally in the rear, you’ve
got the Rogers Super-Stoc which is actually one
of my favorite stocks. Ugly as hell but it works very well, it’s extremely lightweight, one of the lightest weight stocks on the market. And I gotta say guys,
this gun looks great. It feels great, it’s
finished in the Wilson Combat armor tough finish which I love. Black, they say that
there are going to be more colors available in the future. But the one hang up with Wilson Combat, you know where I’m going, you
know what I’m about to say, price, MSRP on this guy is two grand. And 2100 dollars if you go
with a fluted barrel model. Now, ya know, that said you get a lot of value out of Wilson Combat guns. They’ve been selling their
ARs for two grand plus for years and they’re not
going out of business. Unfortunately for you
south paws, this is not an A&B gun, it has only a strong
side safety and bolt catch. Now when you spend 2,000
dollars on a rifle, you kinda hope that it comes
with some nice packaging. Fortunately, Wilson Combat
delivers in that regard. They’ve got a very nice,
zipper, mult-compartment Wilson Combat branded sock close. Kinda clever, the AR 9
also comes with a dog tag that has your AR 9 model and
serial number on the plate. Okay, first shots with the AR 9, let’s go. Oh, well, for 2,000 dollars, it turns out, you don’t get any sights. Let me go back to the truck
and grab an aim point. First shots with the AR 9, take two. (gun firing and hitting metal repeatedly) Alright, just had a little failure to fire but it turns out, just a hard primer. On this crappy Wolf Steel ammunition, I almost feel bad running cheap nine through a nice 9 milometer AR like this. (gun firing and hitting metal repeatedly) Wow, wow, I mean, this isn’t just nice. It’s exceptional, like
this really is the trigger. Wilson’s trigger on here is amazing. I love this two stage trigger, very crisp, works very well with the aim point. This is the aim point that
sighted in for my MPX. It’s shooting a little
bit low but not much. I mean, you can hear it dinging the plate. It’s working well enough,
I do have a complaint about this magazine
release, takes quite a bit of pressure to not move it very far. I mean, your, it barely goes in. You gotta really treat it like a see saw. Because how it works is this mag release, it’s a long piece of
metal and so you press down on the back end and
it lifts up the front end, the tab that’s holding the mag in place. So you just see saw it out so the further back you hit it, the better. The AR 9 is specifically
made to be utterly reliable with all bullet weights, 9
milometer bullet weights. I have 50 rounds, I just
plucked from three boxes. We’ve got aluminum case, 147 grain. Brass case, 124 grain and a
lot of Steel Wolf, 115 grain. Let’s see if this Wilson
can take all of it. (gun cocking) (gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Oh. Got another hard primer with the Wolf. So that makes you kinda
wonder if the primer’s hard or if this firing pin’s
hitting a little soft. (gun cocking) (gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Again, another one with Wolf. And the dimple’s looking
really light on this primer so I am wondering if this
Wilson firing pin is hitting a little on the, a
little on the soft side. (gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Oh, another one, bet it’s Wolf. Yup, again, Wolf, hard
primer, soft strike, combination of the two, who knows. (gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) And again, I really don’t like
that mag release very much. (gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Here we go again. Oh. This time that was 147 grain CCI blazer. It’s making me wonder if the AR 9’s hitting a little too soft,
its like the Drake of guns. (gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Here we go again. Oh no, that time it went dry
but the bolt didn’t hold open. I mean, as far as
feeding reliability goes, it’s choking it all down,
I mean, it’s taking it. But I mean, it looks like the firing pin might be hitting the primers
a little bit on the soft side. So ya know, it did that a
couple of times with Wolf and with CCI Blazer
aluminium, both of which kinda have a reputation
for having harder primers. I also didn’t like that
the bolt didn’t hold open on the last round but I
don’t know if this makes any difference, it
shouldn’t but that was with a Glock 19 mag from a Gen 2 Glock 19. Maybe it makes a difference,
maybe it doesn’t. The Wilson Combat AR
9 comes in 9 milometer with your choice of the
14.7 inch or 16 inch barrel. The overall length on the 16 inch model is 32.75 inches and it weighs six pounds, four ounces, which is pretty lightweight. It comes with a billet AR 70/75 aluminum flat top upper and
lower matching receiver. And Wilson promises match grade
accuracy out of this thing. But Wilson has outfitted this
thing with a propitiatory bolt and barrel to maximize the feed reliability with common bullet profiles. It uses a closed bolt
blow back operating system that it says is soft
shooting and reliable. And this gun is plus p rated, obviously. Okay, so this is my second trip to the range now with the Wilson AR 9. I sent it back to Wilson after last week because as you guys saw,
I had a few problems. There were mostly light primer strikes and then I had one double feed (ding)
and one double fire. And again, that was with Wolf so (gun fires)
that was really interesting. But I sent it back to Wilson,
they checked the gun out. They said the gun’s
fine but Wilson did send some really wonky grain
weight made by Wilson. And I’ve got it here, they
sent me 100 rounds of it. They said run this through
it and see if it works. But real weird conical bullet and it comes in a Wilson Combat box and then there’s a plastic box in the box, it’s
like a Russian doll of ammo. But anyways, that’s what they
sent me, they sent 100 rounds. So what I’m gonna do
right now is I’m gonna run those 100 rounds through
this Wilson Combat AR 9. I loaded up a bunch of Glock magazines. I’m just gonna blast and see what happens. And then I’m gonna run
some more Wolf through it. And see what happens but ya know, they said don’t run Wolf through it. That’s a little bit like don’t try to run your car on Jack Daniels. It’s like of course, everybody knows that. But ya know, Wolf being as cheap as it is, even though it is garbage,
it’s great for the range. And you really, if you spend 2,000 dollars on an AR, you kinda do want it to be able to take anything you
could throw at it, right? So anyways, we’ll, let me shoot this. We’ll go peel off this hundred rounds. And then, and then I’ll fire
some more Wolf through it, see if it has the same problems. (gun cocking) (gun firing) Look at that, second
round, failure to feed. God, second round from having it. Right after the first shot, getting it back from the factory. (gun firing twice) Again, failure to feed, this
is a factory Glock 33 round magazine, this isn’t the
magazine that Wilson sent, but this is OEM factory
Glock 33 round magazine. (gun firing repeatedly) There we go, got it running,
made it through the rest of those, but yeah, factory
Glock magazine, Wilson’s ammo. Isn’t that adorable? Alright, this is the Glock
or the Magpul Glock magazine. The GL 9, the 17 rounder, see how it does. (gun cocking) (gun firing repeatedly and rapidly) (gun firing in slow motion) Not bad, Glock 19 mag and it doesn’t want to insert on a closed bolt. (gun firing repeatedly and rapidly) Oh, stove pipe, alright I just
squirted this thing down with WD-40 and I’m gonna give it
another run, see how it does. (gun firing repeatedly) Yeah, ran it, but bolt
didn’t hold open that time. Let’s keep going, ah, this is Wolf, your old adversary.
(gun firing repeatedly) I gotta tell you, Wolf’s running
a lot hotter out of here. Yup and there it was
again, light primer strike. (gun firing repeatedly) Another light primer strike, looks like. Ya know, I wonder if it has something to do with the two stage trigger. I wish I knew more about
how two stage triggers work, what affect that they had
on an impact, primer impact with the firing pin but ya know, I wonder if that could explain it. If you put GI trigger, your standard GI trigger, if it would work better. Alright now we’ve got the last two magazines of the Wilson Combat ammo. (gun firing repeatedly) There it was, another double fire. Did you guys, you hear that? God, ATF if you’re watching
this, don’t take me to jail. I swear to God I didn’t
know that was gonna happen. Wilson, get your shit together man. This is a great gun, this is a great gun. But like I said earlier,
it just doesn’t work. Like it just doesn’t work. (gun firing repeatedly) I guess it’s a little bit like having a Lamborghini powered by a hamster wheel. I mean, this thing looks sleek. And when it works, its awesome. The trigger’s great, everything about it. Like I said, I’m lukewarm
on the magazine release. But other than that, this is a great gun. And this is a shame, guys, I
mean, I can already tell you for 2,000 dollars, I mean, (censor beep) Man, I mean, the reliability
if this thing just worked. This would be amazing, I might even shell out 2,000 dollars, it’s a great gun. It just
(gun firing in slow motion) Doesn’t really work that well. And remember guys, I sent
this back to Wilson Combat. I sent this back to Wilson Combat. They said that everything was fine. Even after I lubed it up,
after I put WD-40 on the bolt, it really didn’t fix
any of the issues, so. I don’t know, I mean, bummer man. In conclusion: bummer, that
is the conclusion, bummer. Great gun and I just
can’t tell you to go out and spend 2,000 dollars on this. But anyways, thanks for watching guys. I really appreciate it, as usual. Please subscribe, I will see
you next week, take care. (marching band music)

100 thoughts on “Wilson Combat AR9-G 9mm Carbine Review

  • The gun seems pretty quiet, but it's hard to tell with youtube. In real life how does a pistol caliber carbine compare to a 223 rifle for noise?

  • Thank you for being honest about the products flaws. The price in my opinion is way to high maybe if they were the only ones on the market with this design but you could get a lone wolf lower and build your own ( I heard they can be tricky to get them to work just right) or just buy a JR carbine for like $800(I think that what they go for). The double fires are a big problem, I heard of people having problems with guns with heavy recoil and a light two stage trigger. They get accidental bursts of shots but this is only a 9mm so recoil can't be causing it, so maybe their is a need for a redesign on the trigger. I watched the video in slow motion and the trigger was only pulled one. I think the springs are more to blame for light strikes then the trigger being single or two stage or at least that is what I learned from Geissele's videos about triggers.

  • Thanks for the review, James. I was considering a Wilson Combat AR9, but now have second thoughts.  I know there are a lot of other AR platform 9mm's out there, but not for Smith & Wesson M&P magazines. Not that I dislike Glock, it's just they don't point right for me and I don't have the time or money to  invest breaking 40 years of muscle memory using other handguns. The Keltec Sub2000 would be a great option, but my tired old eyes need an optic and that would defeat the purpose of a folding rifle.

  • The problem you are having is the 2 stage trigger. The spring is too light and causes the bump fire and light fire strike. Just went thru it with my lwrc with giessele trigger. It would throw 2 rounds at once then it would light strike. Beef up your uptake spring. Just sayin

  • This review has given me a new kind of respect for Hi-Point. Everyone knows they are the ugly stepchild of the industry, but at least Hi-Point has enough business integrity to price their product accordingly. In Hi-Point's defense, you really are getting what you paid for.

    I can only imagine two types of people who might purchase the Wilson carbine; Someone with more money than brains or someone who has not seen this video. What a complete and unintended public humiliation of Wilson Combat.

    I own the Beretta CX4 Storm with the M9/92fs magwell. Its has been operationally flawless with any and all vendor ammunition. The CX4 cost less than half the Wilson. My next PCC will likely be the CZ Scorpion EVO. From the reviews I've seen, it also appears to be flawless in operation and costs about half the price of the Wilson.

    You described the Wilson AR9-G as a "great gun" that "doesn't work" in the same sentence. "Great guns" work! If it doesn't work, it isn't a great gun.

  • I'd love to have a carbine like this, but with 9mm, I might end up killing my neighbors next door. I'm paranoid about overpenetration when it comes to living in apartments, if I have to defend myself. I need to get out of the city.

  • Just watched the vid and read the comments. Seems like most people have lost the ability to be objective, Ill admit it, Im old, but social media has become the Kardashians of media.

    My take away is,

    I have watched several of this guys reviews, and really liked them.

    Wilson dropped the ball with customer service, and sending reload ammo? Who does that?

    But jeez man, who puts Wolf in a 2k gun? Its science bruh.

    Its objective, its documented, its math, its facts, 664 failures out of 10k rounds with Wolf ammo. I cant make this stuff up, see for yourself here,

    http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo

    This is why I dont shoot steel case ammo. Math+science=facts. Math dont lie.

    But I digress.

    Finally, 2 things.

    1) a test of a gun should be done with decent ammo, otherwise I dont trust the results.
    2) jeez man who answers all his social media posts, its just awkward man. I cant stop imagining you hovering over your screen "oooh I got another comment, I better respond to it!" Little awkward bruh.

  • Perhaps I'm missing something. Spend $2k on this gun, and its a basic blow back design. Or spend $1200 on a MPX and get a rotating bolt design. Or Spend $725 on a Evo and get a blow back design. I dunno, hate me if you want.

  • You keep saying it is a great gun, but it doesn't function. It sounds like it is a great ornament and a poor performing gun.

  • I know that there will be many who will disagree, but to me a 9mm carbine is pretty pointless. A plinker that costs two grand is just lunacy.

  • James is easily the best reviewer on TFB TV. Get rid of Patrick and let James do his shit. Let the other guy do his silly reviews on why he carries obsolete guns and how modern guns are bad.

  • Pretty crappy that my two cruddy plastic $499 Kel Tec Sub2000 Gen 2 Glock rifles work better. Never a misfire, jam, or double fire. LOL. Well now I know for sure I'll build my own 9mm AR using Quarter Circle 10 parts. I've always thought Wilson Combat was over rated.

  • Thanks for telling/sharing your actual experience with the Wilson 9mm AR. Obviously not everything Wilson makes is good to go. That's understandable, but not in a $1k over priced carbine. I don't care what name is on it, $2k for a 9mm carbine is ridiculous.

  • I've never dealt with the AFT for any reason. Can they really lock you up for a 2 round burst like that even if it was an unintentional or accidental???

  • I really get jealous at you Americans sometimes. The gun laws in my country make it so hard to own a rifle like this.

  • Nice video thanks. Think will wait for the mod 2 Kind of sucks that should handle anything, it's a Wilson , …. not good

  • A great gun works, if it's 2K and doesn't work you would be better served with something cheaper that actually works. I bought one of those nano 9's and it works, I do have other 9mm carbines, but 2k for something like this is INSANE! If any other company can sell AR15's for $499 they can sell a 9mm carbine for the same price, less complicated & less parts.

  • I apologize if someone already said this. If the hammer spring was installed backward, it could cause light primer strikes and double fires. It is an issue that is easy to overlook but I have come across it a few times in the last 20+ years with AR style rifles. Unlike most commenters on here, I actually like Wilson Combat's products and have never had issues with them. You guys at TFB make informative videos and I appreciate the time and energy you put into them.

  • 'Just a hard primer'

    No. Your $2000 gun just failed and your making the old, tired 'cheap ammo' excuse… which is hard to make when youre dead.

  • Your review would be more credible if you knew how to shoot. Granted it doesn't look like the AR9 is working the way it should, but who the hell shoots an Aimpoint with one eye closed? And not locking the charging handle back in? Those are just rookie mistakes. Even worse, WD40 as lube? I've heard of motor oil, never WD40. TFB is a complete fail. Stick to reviewing Starbucks dude.

  • without reading any of the other comments – you had nothing but problems with a $2,000 AR9. Wilson Combat even sent you their own ammo to specifically show you their ammo would, or should have run properly…..For $2,000 that thing should run anything you put through it, right? I built my own AR9 using a New Frontier Armory Upper and Lower Receiver. A Ballistic Arms barrel, Spinta BCG, Kaw Valley buffer tube, buffer, and spring, stock Andersons trigger…..Mine runs like a champ and only set me back about $1,200.

  • @ 12:04 FUCK!!! This………….FUCK WILSON COMBAT!!! ………Fuck my LIFE!!!
    I need to find someone as fucking dumb as I am to buy this from me.

  • James, I usually enjoy your reviews, but not this one. You have a great personality, but why call a gun great if its not? It ran like shit for you, but you kept saying "wilson, its a good gun." Its clear you have an affinity for the company. Sure some of their other products are good, but I think its clear its influencing your review. You could instead say that the concept is good, or the ergonomics and lay out is good, but if a gun runs like shit because its ammo sensitive, or its mag sensitive then I'd hope you'd call this duck a duck and not a bald fucking eagle.

  • I wish more manufacturers would make carbines based on the 10mm round. Talk about a perfect combination for home defense!

  • I watched this video after I made the order for a Wilson AR9. I was a little uneasy, since you had so many problems. There are a few more reviews but not many that were not quite as critical.

    Just for a bit more of a positive outlook, I've put about 500 rounds through mine now and she has been flawless. I've not tried wolf steel case, but I don't shoot that in any of my guns. However, I have put 115 gr, 124gr and 147gr from different, quality manufacturers and not a single issue. Bolt holds open every time, no jams or anything. I use Militec-1, not WD40, for oil. The accuracy is incredible, build quality is exceptional and I personally could not be happier with the AR9.

    I hope you've been able to work out your issues. I highly recommend it to anyone.

  • I just do not understand. Why do a video and use cheap wolf 9 mm ammo in a $2,000 Wilson Combat rifle ? You can buy Federal 9 mm ammo at Walmart for $9 per 50 a box.

  • James, thanks so much for this video. Somebody paid attention…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwLmGgVbR_s&t=8s

  • M and P 1522 cost $440, fires 22 if anyone wants to fire on an AR platform for cheap. I dressed mine up really nice with flip up sights and magpul stuff, and the mags for it are as reliable as the bx25 but look AR 15 sized.

  • Really surprised by these results. Failure to lock back might resolve with more use. Failure to fire should never ever happen. Either it's just a QC mistake or their design is flawed and they didn't care enough to refactor.

  • dammit, i was considering this VS the HK SPk5 (though I'm hell-bent on owning that, having operated the MP5 for years in the past, I miss that fucker)

  • $2K, no sights, .9mm carbine…. Why would anyone buy this over an actual AR costing half as much for a good one? And if you just want a .9mm carbine that takes Glock magazines, I know this one isn't the only game in town. Honestly, for what this is, and the price; it should have no issues out of the box at all handling the cheap stuff like Wolf ammo. Then when you send it back, Wilson is like, "Nope. it's perfectly fine. Here, use this special box of ammo from us."

    Seriously?! You have to shoot their ammo to get it to work?? (And, it STILL doesn't work right!) I like Wilson Combat. Many of their products are some of the best out there. Clearly, this carbine is definitely NOT one of those.

  • That thing is garbage. $2000? Shitty manufacturer support? I've got $500 rifles that'll shoot anything. No thanks Wilson.

  • My FX9 shoots Wolf all day long for $1400 less.
    Hundreds of rounds with no issues.
    Dropped in a CMC trigger and it is awesome.
    Thanks for the honest review.

  • Trash! I build an ar9 using a edc tactical ar9 lower and it has been 100 percent reliable with cheep steel ammo and reloads for 600 bucks with sights. Id be disgusted if this was my gun.

  • Sorry to open up a year old comment, but this review still bothers me. I purchased a WC AR9B based on other reviews and previous experience with Wilson Combat. I have well over 1500 rounds through it with exactly zero failures to feed, zero failures to eject, extract or fire. Not one. The 14.7 inch carbine is very accurate and with my personal 124 grain target loads will put 10 shots into a quarter at 50 yards. It runs every type of ammo I have feed to it, including the aluminum and steel cases. Every magazine that I have for my multiple Beretta handguns works flawlessly, including bolt hold-open, insert and seating. Maybe it is the later vintage of carbine, or the different Beretta magazine feed angle. Whatever it is, I'm a very firm fan of this carbine. I couldn't be happier with it!

  • My WC AR-9G rifle behaves exactly like the one in this video, serial # G002XX. Going to try a Kaw Valley buffer & XP spring. My last burst of semi-auto automatic fire consisted of four rounds before two of the spent casing ejecting wedged together creating a ftf a fresh round, WTF…

  • Have these changed at all over the couple years since this was filmed?
    Interested in one of the Beretta models, but all the malfunctions have me worried.

  • Great review Thank you! Sir for the info I personally have a AR9 Primary Weapon System and it blows everything away from that Wilson combat at $2000 and not only in the reliability area but also aesthetically how it looks and I paid out the door less than $1500 $1395 too be exact! 👍..

  • Good honest review. But Waaaaay overpriced. My JR carbine in .45acp is much more reliable and less than a third of the cost. Curious tho, is it blowback operated and does it have last shot bolt hold open feature? Thanks and as always. Great reporting.👍👍👍

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